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Re: Hackintoshing as a sustainable environmental practice

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post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Luckily we have Asahi Linux. https://asahilinux.org/docs/platform/feature-support/m3/

…with barely supported M1 and LKML drama. I would love for it to be an option, but it just isn’t.

To be fair - the reverse engineering has to be done for every of the M series, and the M1 is the best supported Apple SoC so far. I guess we should support the project if we want them to succeed (they live from donations).

Re: Hackintoshing as a sustainable environmental practice

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I've also had a very "sustainable" 6800k machine with 32GB ram that was designated later for many other tasks. But the title is more of a click bait rather than backing that claim. The power source I guess is also a factor, since newer Macs are much more power efficient than Intel days. Since 2016, Apple made their machines less "sustainable" in the sense of upgradability (my MacBook Air 2013 was borderline with 8GB…

[Edit] Ok, I should have read better. i7-6800k is from intel and not from the stone age. --- Are you sure your 68000 machine had 32Gb of ram? If memory serves me well it was most likely 32 Mb. 68020 has a 32 bit address space, so the maximum RAM it can handle is 4Gb

They're talking about the i7-6800k

https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/sku/94189/i...

Re: Hackintoshing as a sustainable environmental practice

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I ran a Hackintosh as my main machine for many years. I specced (using info found on tonymacx86[1]) and built it around 15 years ago to make it work well as a Hackintosh. And work well it did. Incredibly well actually. But now the doors are closing. macOS will soon be ARM/Silicon only and that will be the end of a Hackintosh era. That's the reason I'm not willing to invest the time or energy to do the same again. Hop…

Presumably ARM hackintoshes are, or will be, possible too? Recent ARM processors (eg: Qualcomm’s Snapdragon X) have performance comparable to Apple’s M-series, and are even finding their way into desktops. So there shouldn’t be a shortage of candidate hardware in the coming years!

ARM processors significantly differ from Apple Silicon. Apple's M series are not fully compliant with the ARM64 ISA and contain undocumented instructions. There was a discussion about that a few month ago on /r/hackintosh https://www.reddit.com/r/hackintosh/comments/1c9rfdz/is_hack...

Re: Hackintoshing as a sustainable environmental practice

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I've done this three times, albeit not very recently. First you need a regular computer, on which you're both going to Google a ton and prepare a lot of software. It's only for fun or maaaybe a niche work use case. I also had a MacPro5,1 I used extra long, thanks to some of the tooling mentioned here. Great machine. But seeing how it used 200W and I had to buy a new RX580 for it to be usable, idk if that really helpe…

Hackintoshing supports internal GPUs (iGPU) as well (not only RX 580) - and lots of people install on their Lenovo Thinkpads or other notebooks.

Re: Hackintoshing as a sustainable environmental practice

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I thought it would be interesting to run the numbers for the question “how far can I drive my Prius if I didn’t buy this ?” for a new Macbook Pro M4 (14 inch).

The answer is a pleasing 1337 miles (198kg lifetime CO2 of the macbook / 148g mile CO2 average for the 2011 Prius).

This is pretty surprising. I’d always thought laptop purchases had a much higher impact than an average couple of months of driving.

Re: Hackintoshing as a sustainable environmental practice

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post #22

I ran a Hackintosh as my main machine for many years. I specced (using info found on tonymacx86[1]) and built it around 15 years ago to make it work well as a Hackintosh. And work well it did. Incredibly well actually. But now the doors are closing. macOS will soon be ARM/Silicon only and that will be the end of a Hackintosh era. That's the reason I'm not willing to invest the time or energy to do the same again. Hop…

Presumably ARM hackintoshes are, or will be, possible too? Recent ARM processors (eg: Qualcomm’s Snapdragon X) have performance comparable to Apple’s M-series, and are even finding their way into desktops. So there shouldn’t be a shortage of candidate hardware in the coming years!

My understanding is that it will be much harder as ARM is way less standardized than the Intel x86 platform. This is something that Linus Thorvalds has talked about in the past [1]. Think about how huge an effort it is to get Linux to run on Apple’s ARM machines or how some distros have a Pi specific variant. I guess getting macOS to run on other ARM machines could be similar challenging.

1: https://www.pcworld.com/article/410627/why-linux-pioneer-lin...

Re: Hackintoshing as a sustainable environmental practice

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post #23

Seems AI-written. Doesn't give any justification for MacOS being better for older hardware than Linux or even Windows. You won't be getting updates for your Intel hardware on MacOS, so you're right back where you started with Windows 10 going EOL.

This is not AI-written. This is what used to be called asperger's (now part of autism spectrum disorder). You can see it in how they write:

> In 2025 the question is: why Hackintosh? And after being in the different communities for so long and observing reasons people install Hackintosh they are:

the way they construct sentences is so distinctly recognizable: [And after [being in [the different communities] for so long] and observing [reasons people [install Hackintosh]] they are:]

It's like they use Scratch blocks to assemble their language. It's hard to explain, but you can know it when you see it.

Re: Hackintoshing as a sustainable environmental practice

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

We really need rules of thumb like this physically posted in more places. I grew up seeing "be green" signs in school that didn't really tell you how.

A reasonable rule of thumb is how much money you spend on something. Even if you buy something that is ostensively green your money is still flowing into an economy which isn’t.

Yeah, that's what I use if nothing else is available, but in this case the 27 gallons of gasoline costs about 1/10 of the MacBook.

Re: Hackintoshing as a sustainable environmental practice

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post #22

I ran a Hackintosh as my main machine for many years. I specced (using info found on tonymacx86[1]) and built it around 15 years ago to make it work well as a Hackintosh. And work well it did. Incredibly well actually. But now the doors are closing. macOS will soon be ARM/Silicon only and that will be the end of a Hackintosh era. That's the reason I'm not willing to invest the time or energy to do the same again. Hop…

I ran one for quite a while back in the netbook days - snowleopard worked quite well on the first Atom eeepc. Back then macos was a bit of a revelation - coming from Windows or Linux where the first thing you did after installing the OS was spend a few hours tweaking things, there was nothing to do and it just ran.

Eventually I went back to debian linux after a main disk failure and kept the machine going a few years longer by progressively lightening the software load, from gnome -> xfce -> lxde, but the time came when it was just too slow to browse any more, and it had to be retired.

Re: Hackintoshing as a sustainable environmental practice

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post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Luckily we have Asahi Linux. https://asahilinux.org/docs/platform/feature-support/m3/

…with barely supported M1 and LKML drama. I would love for it to be an option, but it just isn’t.

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