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British tourist detained by US authorities for 10 days over visa issue

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Re: British tourist detained by US authorities for 10 days over visa issue

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Post by kennysoona »

necovek wrote: post #169
kennysoona wrote: post #157

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All people involved have jurisdiction on how to apply the law. Putting this girl in prison and a jumpsuit is ridiculous. It creates yet another person who will come to rightfully hate the US, gets bad press affecting tourism and business, and for what? For a girl that loved the US, misinterpreted or misunderstood something and is staying a little longer, spending more money and having good experiences. Enforce the la…

I agree that the conditions are far from ideal, but if that's how US generally deals with people waiting for their court dates, it's what it is. This does not mean US should not work to improve those conditions for everyone — I don't see a difference between a Mexican person overstaying or her overstaying from the angle of immigration clerks — it should! US should also certainly adapt laws to avoid any "detention" fo…

> I agree that the conditions are far from ideal, but if that's how US generally deals with people waiting for their court dates, it's what it is.

It's what it is under Trump. 3 months ago Someone in this situation wouldn't have been detained for this long and in the news for such a minor offense.

> This does not mean US should not work to improve those conditions for everyone

This wasn't happening before for cases like this. All the worst CBP agents are empowered now and have no checks on their authority. That's the problem.

Re: British tourist detained by US authorities for 10 days over visa issue

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Post by kennysoona »

gruez wrote: post #173
kennysoona wrote: post #157

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All people involved have jurisdiction on how to apply the law. Putting this girl in prison and a jumpsuit is ridiculous. It creates yet another person who will come to rightfully hate the US, gets bad press affecting tourism and business, and for what? For a girl that loved the US, misinterpreted or misunderstood something and is staying a little longer, spending more money and having good experiences. Enforce the la…

>All people involved have jurisdiction on how to apply the law. Putting this girl in prison and a jumpsuit is ridiculous. So what are you proposing? Giving someone from an European country better treatment than someone from South America? Sounds like racism/white privilege to me. >It creates yet another person who will come to rightfully hate the US, gets bad press affecting tourism and business, and for what? For a…

> Giving someone from an European country better treatment than someone from South America? Sounds like racism/white privilege to me.

No one is proposing anything like this. Why invent a strawman?

> "misinterpreted or misunderstood" seems like a stretch.

Not if you consider work to mean getting cash in exchange.

Re: British tourist detained by US authorities for 10 days over visa issue

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Post by kennysoona »

ty6853 wrote: post #179
kennysoona wrote: post #157

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All people involved have jurisdiction on how to apply the law. Putting this girl in prison and a jumpsuit is ridiculous. It creates yet another person who will come to rightfully hate the US, gets bad press affecting tourism and business, and for what? For a girl that loved the US, misinterpreted or misunderstood something and is staying a little longer, spending more money and having good experiences. Enforce the la…

Don't worry they do it to citizens too. On one occasion CBP told me they would not let me enter the country. On another they imprisoned me for ~12 hours, on another they asked me if I work in the US and tried to demand ever more intrusive questions about it. ... I am us citizen presenting with us passport, look and talk extremely white with no foreign accent.

How did your situation resolve? Did you sue them?

Re: British tourist detained by US authorities for 10 days over visa issue

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Post by ty6853 »

kennysoona wrote: post #193
ty6853 wrote: post #179

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don't worry they do it to citizens too. On one occasion CBP told me they would not let me enter the country. On another they imprisoned me for ~12 hours, on another they asked me if I work in the US and tried to demand ever more intrusive questions about it. ... I am us citizen presenting with us passport, look and talk extremely white with no foreign accent.

How did your situation resolve? Did you sue them?

The situation resolved in my passport being flagged, feds executing a fruitless search warrant (thankfully the doctors would not go through with the full cavity search but i am in debt for the warrant), and lawyers telling me I'm SOL. Everytime I go to the border I make sure my affairs are in order to be disappeared. It's good advice for anyone entering the US.

Edit: just remembered the time they were enraged they had to let me in so threatened to revoke my passport.

Re: British tourist detained by US authorities for 10 days over visa issue

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Post by PaulDavisThe1st »

gggtttkkk88 wrote: post #188
PaulDavisThe1st wrote: post #183

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Do you know that mixed race marriage did not gain majority support in the USA until 1995? Sometimes it is right to not give a fuck about what "a huge swath of the US population thinks". And in this case, it's not about "special priviledges", it's about the ridiculousness of this process being applied to anyone in her circumstances.

[flagged]

I wasn't born in the USA.

Re: British tourist detained by US authorities for 10 days over visa issue

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Post by lttlrck »

kennysoona wrote: post #189
jonnybgood wrote: post #165

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> Putting this girl in prison and a jumpsuit is ridiculous. Should they have put her on house arrest in a hotel room? She doesn't deserve special privileges. A huge swath of the US population would be adamantly against her being treated special.

Again, discretion is a thing.

Discretion rubs both ways.

Just because it didn't happen to your/our preference this time doesn't mean it never happens.

Re: British tourist detained by US authorities for 10 days over visa issue

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Post by kennysoona »

ty6853 wrote: post #194
kennysoona wrote: post #193

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How did your situation resolve? Did you sue them?

The situation resolved in my passport being flagged, feds executing a fruitless search warrant (thankfully the doctors would not go through with the full cavity search but i am in debt for the warrant), and lawyers telling me I'm SOL. Everytime I go to the border I make sure my affairs are in order to be disappeared. It's good advice for anyone entering the US. Edit: just remembered the time they were enraged they ha…

> lawyers telling me I'm SOL.

Why? On what basis?

Re: British tourist detained by US authorities for 10 days over visa issue

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Post by ty6853 »

kennysoona wrote: post #197
ty6853 wrote: post #194

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The situation resolved in my passport being flagged, feds executing a fruitless search warrant (thankfully the doctors would not go through with the full cavity search but i am in debt for the warrant), and lawyers telling me I'm SOL. Everytime I go to the border I make sure my affairs are in order to be disappeared. It's good advice for anyone entering the US. Edit: just remembered the time they were enraged they ha…

> lawyers telling me I'm SOL. Why? On what basis?

"We've tried litigating these cases before and after always failing we gave up pursuing these kinds of cases" -- in so many words.

Re: British tourist detained by US authorities for 10 days over visa issue

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Post by s1artibartfast »

codedokode wrote: post #124
actionfromafar wrote: post #93

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Musk is lucky enforcement wasn't as strict back then.

Cannot citizenship be revoked for past violations?

Not really. It has only happened a couple times in hundreds of years and was about foreign spys

Re: British tourist detained by US authorities for 10 days over visa issue

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Post by gruez »

PaulDavisThe1st wrote: post #182
gruez wrote: post #173

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>All people involved have jurisdiction on how to apply the law. Putting this girl in prison and a jumpsuit is ridiculous. So what are you proposing? Giving someone from an European country better treatment than someone from South America? Sounds like racism/white privilege to me. >It creates yet another person who will come to rightfully hate the US, gets bad press affecting tourism and business, and for what? For a…

> Giving someone from an European country better treatment than someone from South America? Sounds like racism/white privilege to me. No, the proposal is to treat all such cases equivalently, regardless of national origin. That means no more prison/orange jump suit/inacessibility for Europeans or people from South America who screw up their visa conditions.

>No, the proposal is to treat all such cases equivalently, regardless of national origin.

Your description of "a girl that loved the US, misinterpreted or misunderstood something and is staying a little longer, spending more money and having good experiences" might not have any explicit racial/ethnic element, but it's pretty obvious you're selecting for a certain demographic when you're using criteria like that.

Or are you arguing that nobody should be treated that way? In which case why not just say something like "nobody should be treated this way", instead of qualifying it with so many descriptors?

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