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uBlock Origin is no longer available on the Chrome Store

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Re: uBlock Origin is no longer available on the Chrome Store

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Post by nanderson_ »

culi wrote: post #693
bilalq wrote: post #349

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Isn't Mozilla's VPN just a thin UI over Mullvad's servers? I don't think it costs them much and probably brings in some decent revenue.

Do you have a source for this? I'm a big fan of Mullvad and trust their service more than any. I wouldn't mind supporting Mozilla's independence from Google while getting the same VPN service I'm currently getting Hopefully Mozilla's MDN Plus offering can grow to bring them a big source of revenue. MDN is a treasure for any web developer and, should Mozilla go under, this public service would be sorely missed for the…

The privacy notice for Mozilla VPN [1] briefly mentions their partnership with Mullvad.

[1]: https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/privacy/subscription-services/

Re: uBlock Origin is no longer available on the Chrome Store

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Post by culi »

Mailtemi wrote: post #103
bad_user wrote: post #64

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Which is why Mozilla are getting desperate to diversify their revenue.

Mozilla diversifies by increasing the CEO's salary for nothing. Wiki: In 2020, after returning to the position of CEO, Baker's salary was more than $3 million. In 2021, her salary rose again to more than $5 million, and again to nearly $7 million in 2022. The new CEO brings computing for AI money bleed that almost no one wants.

We know this because of Mozilla's commitment to transparency. These figures come from their annual reports

https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/foundation/annualreport/2024/

https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/foundation/annualreport/2023/

https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/foundation/annualreport/2022/

https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/foundation/annualreport/2021/

etc

I'm not defending it at all, but I think it's worth pointing out this pay rate is below the rate most CEOs of tech companies of this size are making. I don't really know what the solution here is but I imagine any CEO they replace her with would also seek a high salary. I'd love for them to become a worker-owned cooperative like Igalia but I really don't see that happening any time soon

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Post by lolinder »

RamRodification wrote: post #658
jhickok wrote: post #363

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Do you have thoughts about Kagi/Orion browser? I've been using it for a bit now and I've been pleased with the ad blocking capabilities and the ability to have ublock origin on my iPhone and iPad. The browser definitely has scales but it's usable for me at this point.

macOS only

Linux is coming, but that still leaves Windows and Android (and iOS?) out.

Re: uBlock Origin is no longer available on the Chrome Store

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Post by lolinder »

squarefoot wrote: post #579
bluescrn wrote: post #563

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How long will Mozilla be around for, though?

As long as Google pays them to remain alive to reinforce the narrative that Chrome isn't a monopoly.

That deal is on the chopping block as part of the DOJ's lawsuit.

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Post by Mawr »

Fluorescence wrote: post #278
gruez wrote: post #150

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>Nobody could have possibly seen it coming that Google would abuse its market position to their own benefit... Doesn't Safari have the same restriction, also ostensibly for "security/privacy" reasons? The only difference is that Apple doesn't have a web advertising presence, so you can't make the accusation that they're "abuse its market position to their own benefit".

People scratch their heads about how "just a default setting" can be worth an annual $20 billion payment from Google. It makes more sense if it's actually for a raft of wildly illegal under-the-table measures this. Imagine what it would cost Google's bottom line if Apple was truly user-focused and enabled ad-blocking on desktop, mobile and embedded safari views by default. Someone do the napkin math please!

Oh, people just don't understand the value of default settings. It's a constant theme even on this forum.

Re: uBlock Origin is no longer available on the Chrome Store

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Post by lolinder »

culi wrote: post #692
AstralSerenity wrote: post #213

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My understanding is Mozilla contracted its footprint substantially to remain sustainable in a future without Google's monetary contribution.

Yup. Firefox Relay, their own VPN, MDN Plus, and many more. The funny thing is that the same people on here that crow on about Mozilla needing to "just focus on Firefox" are the same ones who complains about its reliance on Google for income. Based on their interop performances Mozilla seems to be doing the best they can to do both. Firefox interop has improved significantly in the past 4 years (surprisingly, so has…

> The funny thing is that the same people on here that crow on about Mozilla needing to "just focus on Firefox" are the same ones who complains about its reliance on Google for income.

There's no inherent contradiction here. Mozilla still doesn't give me a way to donate to them to fund Firefox. They haven't even tried. I want to fund Firefox development, desperately, but they deliberately structured their organization to make that impossible without paying for some other random project that has its own overhead.

I want Mozilla to offer a Firefox+ subscription or donation or something, anything. Let me give you my money! Just give me a way to be confident that you'll take it as a signal to fund Firefox and not as a signal that what your customers really want is VPNs.

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Post by hnpolicestate »

jrflowers wrote: post #576
hnpolicestate wrote: post #440

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No. You don't want someone who believes in vaccine passports and lockdowns running your browser if you truly value an open and free internet with roadblocks to tracking, fingerprinting etc. No CEO or developer is going to respect to software/hardware users if they believe that user should also use health verification software to go about public spaces. These are incompatible philosophies.

Exactly. When you want to use a program on the computer you want to make sure that the CEO of the company that makes it is very vocal about things completely unrelated to the computer. Like would you take your car to a mechanic who doesn’t post about the keto diet? Absolutely not. Would you buy a quiche from a man that does not have a dedicated page to perineum sunning? No one would, it would be insane to even consid…

Because a keto diet wouldn't have anything to do with using an open internet. My examples, think free speech, absolutely do.

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Post by lolinder »

wussboy wrote: post #611
glenstein wrote: post #375

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>Then they wouldn't be throwing money into open firepits on trash like a VPN service It's pants-on-head level of crazy talk to suggest that the VPN service is compromising Mozilla's finances. It's a re-wrapped Mullvad VPN that probably was not expensive to roll out (it being inexpensive to deploy is probably precisely the reason they moved forward with it). It's like people are just workshopping arguments where they…

This kind of thinking appears to be prevalent. "Firefox does one specific thing which I construe as evil. Therefore I use the competitor which also does this thing, plus dozens of others which are anti-competitive and generally destructive to the ecosystem." "The coleslaw in the Jedi salad bar has raisins. Therefore I joined the Sith. Their coleslaw also has raisins."

You misunderstand. The vast majority of people who complain about Mozilla on HN are Firefox users. We're the ones with the highest level of investment in the idea of an open web, so we're the ones who've stuck it out until Firefox's market share is all but gone. But because we care so much, you'll also frequently find us on here complaining that Mozilla is drunk driving their company and does not seem to realize that the only thing they do that actually matters is maintain the one independent browser engine.
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