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British tourist detained by US authorities for 10 days over visa issue

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Re: British tourist detained by US authorities for 10 days over visa issue

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The hypocrisy of everything under this administration boggles the mind. "You're here illegally! No, we won't let you leave!"

I think it’s malicious incompetence. They probably rolled this out so fast and fired everyone who could manage it at the same time that it’s running at the stage of “how do we not starve these people” levels of chaos. What a shit show though.

ICE probably has quotas for detainment, so they're imprisoning people who would previously have been sent home.

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It seems like there was good reason for these concerns that the person was going to work. However, the person was right there at the border. Why did we not just turn them back around. I don't think they had overstayed their time in Mexico? Further they had a return flight weeks ago. AFAIk we have been paying to keep this person detained for over a month now. Why not at least put them on their original flight back. Th…

It seems like a common detail for both situations is both travelers were at a land crossing. It sounds like a nightmare scenario but I bet they also could have been bounced back and forth between the guards of either country. At that point, one side will have to take on detention responsibilities because neither side will trust the person to make good on their return plans.

It would be great if articles on the matter could include research on the scenario you describe. FWIW, ChatGPT tells me the German tourist could likely have returned to Mexico.

Interestingly, it sounds like both of these arrests were made at the same crossing from Tijuana: https://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/german-tourists-detai...

The description of the second case also sounds quite dehumanizing to say the least.

Re: British tourist detained by US authorities for 10 days over visa issue

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That tourist couldn’t be admitted to the IS, nor returned to Mexico as they didn’t have permission. So they had to wait for deportation?

She had an airline ticket. She missed that flight now. > Brösche had her German passport, confirmation of her visa waiver to enter the country, and a copy of her return ticket back to Berlin

Yes, but where was she supposed to go before her flight?

She was trying to commit immigration fraud by coming to work to the US with ESTA. There was evidence. So she could not be let in. She also could not be legally turned around. And deportation takes time.

Of course, it is not desirable to detain such people. And it is especially unfortunate that she was in a for-profit detention facility and suffered mistreatment there. But what is the other option? Let in people with a known history of immigration fraud?

When someone is warned many, many times during the ESTA application process that they may not work in the US during their stay, and they still decide to do so illegally, then sometimes there are consequences to these actions. Even if this person is German.

Of course, it is sad and unfortunate that these things happen. And perhaps laws could change so that small scale offenders are inconvenienced less, but there is a big debate about that with regard to sanctuary cities and decriminalizing petty crime, and it does seem like it’s not the way to go either. Alternatively, the penalty is a deterrent for an offence. Maybe one shouldn’t expect pleasant treatment if they willingly break laws.

Re: British tourist detained by US authorities for 10 days over visa issue

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A similar story about Ice detaining a German tourist in California indefinitely. Jessica Brösche has spent more than a month in detention center after being denied entry at San Diego from Mexico. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/mar/03/ice-german-t...

The hypocrisy of everything under this administration boggles the mind. "You're here illegally! No, we won't let you leave!"

It's part of the ICE grift. Ninety percent of ICE detention facilities are run by private companies. This has been going on through many administrations of all political stripes so sadly non partisan in a way, but there's no good excuse for this privatization for profit, it incentivizes making it harder for legal representation and reducing the number of judges, to increase the length of detention.

Re: British tourist detained by US authorities for 10 days over visa issue

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Probably shouldn't tell border patrol you're doing unpaid labor in a country you're visiting. When speaking to authorities it's best to say the absolute minimum required for the encounter.

Statements like these make me happy I live in Europe.

If you live in Europe you'll need a visa to work in the US. You want to live in the US to not need the visa.

Re: British tourist detained by US authorities for 10 days over visa issue

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There's a right and a wrong way to enforce the law, though. Putting her in a literal prison and in an orange jumpsuit is overkill. Clearly she just screwed up and thought what she was doing was ok, but isn't a threat. Let her go back to the UK and no longer be eligible for ESTA. How is that not sufficient?

It seems shocking from European perspective. At least they did not shot her because of resisting or something.

I suggest you read up on your country's actual visa violation punitive assessment. You'll be surprised I guarantee it if this is your "European" perspective.

The countries who can enforce their visa terms, do. And Europeans are no different, some are even worse than US treatment they're getting.

Re: British tourist detained by US authorities for 10 days over visa issue

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There's a right and a wrong way to enforce the law, though. Putting her in a literal prison and in an orange jumpsuit is overkill. Clearly she just screwed up and thought what she was doing was ok, but isn't a threat. Let her go back to the UK and no longer be eligible for ESTA. How is that not sufficient?

There is only one way to enforce the law, which is to enforce it upon learning of all the circumstances, both in favour and not in favour of the accused. The fact that you are not familiar with the law never protects you by design ("oh sorry, I never realised I wasn't allowed to just take their bike and ride away") — so it's upon the courts to make judgement on the entire set of circumstances. The problem with any im…

Unless you are American. Then the bully shows their teeth.

Re: British tourist detained by US authorities for 10 days over visa issue

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The US has always been a scary place to cross the border. I'm a Brit and have been to 50+ countries and the US is the only one that seems like it's trying to find a reason to arrest you. The others generally don't give problems or possibly just refuse entry and you have to go back.

The other thing that puzzles me about the US is they give basically law abiding travellers all sorts of grief while at the same time letting people just wander in from Mexico and live for years. Odd system.

Re: British tourist detained by US authorities for 10 days over visa issue

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Probably shouldn't tell border patrol you're doing unpaid labor in a country you're visiting. When speaking to authorities it's best to say the absolute minimum required for the encounter.

Statements like these make me happy I live in Europe.

Sure as you might, I assume you're a citizen of the EU. That really just means you're happy you live in an area where you're a citizen with effectively no limit on what you can do in areas where your citizenship is acceptable to do what you want to do.

Don't forget, your country absolutely has their own visa terms, and they absolutely do enforce it.

I'm personally satisfied with my citizenship as well.

Re: British tourist detained by US authorities for 10 days over visa issue

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If she is on a "four-month backpacking trip around North America" and tried to return to the US, she has exceeded the 90-day limit allowed by the Visa Waiver Program (which counts days both in the US and "adjacent territories") and is now an illegal overstayer. The unpaid labor stuff and getting refused entry to Canada is icing on the cake. For the record, I'm no fan of ICE/CBP, but it looks like they're just enforci…

The article says "[she] was told she should have applied for a working visa, instead of a tourist visa", so it's fair to assume she had a proper B2 tourist visa, which lets you stay for 6 months.

VWP/ESTA is a "tourist visa" in all but name, and it's much more likely that a UK citizen would be using this instead of going through the full B2 visa application rigmarole.
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