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Re: Go European: Discover European products and services

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Post by carlosjobim »

jajko wrote: post #196
batrat wrote: post #95

(Rant sorry) While i'm from EU and I support the movement, after I looked over some numbers it is hard to ditch something like Amazon. 1st thing for me are the prices and monthly I can save at least 100 Euros just from shopping on deals. Second Amazon employs 150k people across EU and this is not a low number (how about them?). Yes we need alternatives but the rich EU guys also have to invest some. Sometimes I feel t…

In Switzerland amazon never bothered to enter the market, so local competition filled the gap, and it created much better service while doing it. I speak specifically about galaxus/digitec which often have more and more available stock than actual amazon in EU, any category has 1000s of items, much better organized and findable. Plus it has many great features not seen or usable elsewhere - directly showing evolution…

Why don't they compete outside of Switzerland?

Re: Go European: Discover European products and services

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Post by Pet_Ant »

DaveMcMartin wrote: post #225

It’s genuinely sad to see the world splintering into waves of nationalistic protectionism. Not long ago, we had something promising, a slow but steady crawl toward a united global community. Progress was gradual, sure, but it was real. Countries could specialize and trade freely: I’d buy your chips, you’d buy my steel, and we’d both come out ahead. It worked. Now, though, it’s all about "national sovereignty" and "in…

The problem was that the people that benefitted most from free trade never do the work to ensure that a fair share of the profits went to the working class who were now being displaced. If you can no longer get lifelong middleclass job with a high school diploma, but you need a degree, then the degree should be paid for by the state... or you see what you see, a race to the bottom and then a backlash.

Re: Go European: Discover European products and services

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Post by albertgoeswoof »

noneeeed wrote: post #213
albertgoeswoof wrote: post #33

Thank you for including the UK, we are still part of Europe! Added my company ( https://mailpace.com ) - I’m looking forward to a resurgence of innovation in European tech companies, the talent and education here is amazing, we just need to improve our investment and start treating tech with as much respect as we give to law, finance and other “prestigious” career paths here

Who do you host with btw? I'd love to avoid the big US SaaS providers if I can but would like something a level above a VPS, especially for database.

Clever cloud for containers and database (French)

Re: Go European: Discover European products and services

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Post by jeroenhd »

schnitzelstoat wrote: post #96

Economic nationalism is bad when Trump does it and bad when Europe does it too. We should have unilateral free trade. Ricardo showed this was better over 200 years ago.

It's a classic prisoner's dilemma. We'd all be better off if nobody started any trade wars, but the moment one party starts becoming hostile, everyone else must respond in kind or they'll be taken advantage of.

I hoped Americans had stopped being stupid and elected better leaders, but Trump's re-election shows that America and its people do not care about being reliable business partners. Ridding ourselves of American dependence will take decades, but with at least four more years of this bullshit ahead of us, we'd better get started soon.

Re: Go European: Discover European products and services

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Post by Hikikomori »

DaveMcMartin wrote: post #225

It’s genuinely sad to see the world splintering into waves of nationalistic protectionism. Not long ago, we had something promising, a slow but steady crawl toward a united global community. Progress was gradual, sure, but it was real. Countries could specialize and trade freely: I’d buy your chips, you’d buy my steel, and we’d both come out ahead. It worked. Now, though, it’s all about "national sovereignty" and "in…

Globalism or imperialism 2.0 perpetrated by America? I'd like to see that kind of utopia, but unclear how we can overcome greed, corruption and bad actors.

Re: Go European: Discover European products and services

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Post by coffeebeqn »

microtonal wrote: post #66
kharak wrote: post #54

Did similar movements had a measurable impact? Asking because I have the impression that boycott movements are ineffective, but I never verified that.

Talk to Tesla and ask how they are doing in the EU and Canada :).

I suppose a big ticket item like a car is much easier to boycott than 50 small items from the grocery where trying to search through the ownership tree for every conglomerate would use up the rest of my sanity

Re: Go European: Discover European products and services

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Post by whatever1 »

DaveMcMartin wrote: post #225

It’s genuinely sad to see the world splintering into waves of nationalistic protectionism. Not long ago, we had something promising, a slow but steady crawl toward a united global community. Progress was gradual, sure, but it was real. Countries could specialize and trade freely: I’d buy your chips, you’d buy my steel, and we’d both come out ahead. It worked. Now, though, it’s all about "national sovereignty" and "in…

Turns out capital without borders ruins prices for scarce things (like housing) everywhere.

Re: Go European: Discover European products and services

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Post by shadowgovt »

zkid18 wrote: post #190
mertbio wrote: post #3

If you are advocating for European products, I would expect you to use Plausible or similar products instead of Google Analytics. This would allow you to avoid displaying the cookie banner.

folks mess "cookie banner" with "consent banner". many people do conflate them, but in some jurisdictions (e.g., the EU under GDPR), a "cookie banner" typically includes a consent mechanism. if you're tracking users for analytics using cookies, fingerprinting, or any other method that identifies them (even probabilistically), you generally need explicit consent under GDPR and similar privacy laws. The key point is th…

It was an interesting day when EU legislators made our Apache access logs questionably-legal.

Re: Go European: Discover European products and services

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Post by ChainHacker »

Hikikomori wrote: post #229
ChainHacker wrote: post #206

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I have several options within walking distance that sells HDMI cables for same price as Amazon, and I can trust that they sell a cable that works according to spec. 1) I used to example of the HDMI cable to show how much of a ripoff that shop was. I use Amazon to buy all manner of PC equipment. Alternatives in the UK have poor delivery times, stock or payment is a faff. 2) I don't have any options in walking distan…

Can get next day delivery to locker even outside the bigger metros here. Guess you'll be surprised when Amazon starts gouging you.

> Can get next day delivery to locker even outside the bigger metros here.

Good for you. I don't have that option. You were asking (somewhat rhetorically) why people would want to use a megacorp like Amazon. The alternatives in the UK are either no better than Amazon or objectively worse.

Also the North of Europe is generally much better than the Eastern and Southern Europe for e-commerce. I have lived Southern Europe and they were at least about 10-15 years behind the UK offerings when I lived there. After speaking to some people in Eastern Europe, I understand that they are in similar situation.

> Guess you'll be surprised when Amazon starts gouging you.

The only company that hasn't gouged me so far is Amazon. If they do, I will stop using them.

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