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Re: Go European: Discover European products and services

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Post by vladvasiliu »

mrweasel wrote: post #205
vladvasiliu wrote: post #200

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I don't think that's much of an issue on this side of the pond. Trust has been low enough for a long enough period of time that packages don't get left on porches.

That's area dependent, there are multiple shipping companies that have options for leaving package by the door step and rarely are things stolen. It's completely down to where you live.

I'm quite curious to know where this is a thing, and whether people actually pick that option. FWIW, I live in Paris and that's also an option sometimes.

My sister lives in a fairly remote town in France, and they wouldn't dream of leaving a package unattended. It's not otherwise considered an "unsafe" or "rough" or whatever area.

Re: Go European: Discover European products and services

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Post by RobotToaster »

ChocolateGod wrote: post #67
microtonal wrote: post #58

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I know that it's not in the cards (yet), but I hope the UK and the EU can be a single market again (even if the UK does not rejoin the EU). Let's make our market as large and attractive as possible! We love the UK and you are part of the European family :hugs:.

Whilst a good idea, no politician is going to try and do it under the fear of reigniting the Brexit argument which ends up dominating politics in the country.

Most people who voted for Brexit were mostly concerned about free movement of people, not goods. I doubt a free trade agreement would upset them too much.

If the EU would accept a FTA without free movement of people is another matter.

Re: Go European: Discover European products and services

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Post by noneeeed »

albertgoeswoof wrote: post #33

Thank you for including the UK, we are still part of Europe! Added my company ( https://mailpace.com ) - I’m looking forward to a resurgence of innovation in European tech companies, the talent and education here is amazing, we just need to improve our investment and start treating tech with as much respect as we give to law, finance and other “prestigious” career paths here

Who do you host with btw? I'd love to avoid the big US SaaS providers if I can but would like something a level above a VPS, especially for database.

Re: Go European: Discover European products and services

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Post by ChainHacker »

yoavm wrote: post #199
ChainHacker wrote: post #156

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For anything time critical Amazon Prime is a godsend. 1) Anything PC related I can get shipped to me tomorrow. There is one local computer store and they just repair laptops and phones with absolute rip off prices (£70 for a HDMI cable). Before Amazon it took days to get an order shipped from one of the big PC suppliers in the UK, Payment used to an absolute PITA frequently card gets rejected on dubious grounds. I've…

In the Netherlands we have Bol.com which also offers one-day delivery for many (most?) products.

That is good. I wish we had something decent in the UK.

Re: Go European: Discover European products and services

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Post by BlackFly »

FirmwareBurner wrote: post #68
Yeul wrote: post #60

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If you walk into a European supermarket, fashion store or MediaMarkt there is very little coming from the US. The giant container ships are coming from the East not the West.

The chips and software in a lot of those products are coming from the US, even if the final products are manufactured in the East. The US makes the biggest margins from valuable IP and software services, not from mass produced widgets coming in shipping containers.

Chips made with Dutch chip fabrication technology to English chip designs...

The software situation is grim but maybe open source somewhat ameliorates that...

Re: Go European: Discover European products and services

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Post by hans_castorp »

Kkoala wrote: post #102
hans_castorp wrote: post #35

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And: https://www.buy-european-made.eu/

This is same as https://www.goeuropean.org/ > Why did you change your name from Buy European Made to Go European? > We changed our name to better reflect our evolving mission and values. "Go European" encompasses a broader range of initiatives and activities that support European culture, tourism, and services, beyond just promoting European-made products.

Ah, thanks. I wasn't aware of that.

Re: Go European: Discover European products and services

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Post by piva00 »

rafaelmn wrote: post #131
batrat wrote: post #95

(Rant sorry) While i'm from EU and I support the movement, after I looked over some numbers it is hard to ditch something like Amazon. 1st thing for me are the prices and monthly I can save at least 100 Euros just from shopping on deals. Second Amazon employs 150k people across EU and this is not a low number (how about them?). Yes we need alternatives but the rich EU guys also have to invest some. Sometimes I feel t…

Thats what every "support local" campaign boils down to - accept suboptimal deals because they are somehow more connected to you. I am glad to sell my services to the US and will buy their services, likewise for EU stuff if it is competitive. Besides this outrage at the US from EU perspective is mind-boggling, for the first time since I can remember US is moving away from imperialist global polices, and Europe is in…

> Besides this outrage at the US from EU perspective is mind-boggling, for the first time since I can remember US is moving away from imperialist global polices, and Europe is in a position where they can become an independent global actor after WW2. Sure Trump administration isn't making the process pleasant but Europeans should be happy about these changes.

It's not mind-boggling when the US is threatening to take over territories from EU member-states. That's the mind-boggling part: that it is acceptable and normal to the point where it's not even part of the discourse anymore, it's completely normal to have a US president stating a desire to annex Greenland.

Surely Overton's window can't have shifted that much that fast.

On the other hand I do agree on the imperial ambitions part with you, having the USA pull out from being an imperialistic power is definitely something I cheer on, just upsetting they can never seem to do anything with grace and subtlety, have to live up to the stereotypes I guess.

Re: Go European: Discover European products and services

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Post by piva00 »

batrat wrote: post #95

(Rant sorry) While i'm from EU and I support the movement, after I looked over some numbers it is hard to ditch something like Amazon. 1st thing for me are the prices and monthly I can save at least 100 Euros just from shopping on deals. Second Amazon employs 150k people across EU and this is not a low number (how about them?). Yes we need alternatives but the rich EU guys also have to invest some. Sometimes I feel t…

Using price comparison services here in Sweden I almost never see a better deal on Amazon, at best they have the exact same price as the cheapest deal, seems to be their MO here to check the pricing data from competitors and set their prices exactly the same as the cheapest on offer at the time.

Re: Go European: Discover European products and services

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Post by bigfudge »

t43562 wrote: post #106
bigfudge wrote: post #47

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I think it's important that we _do_ also include China in this. It's not just that Trump has demonstrated that the US is unreliable. We have also seen (again) that sociopaths in charge of authoritarian regimes can do things that are perfectly capable of acting against their own economic interests for political, cultural, religious reasons. Depending on global interconnectedness of markets has not and will not save us…

We haven't built quite as much of a security dependence on China so I think this is more like the US becoming "another China."

But we have huge economic dependence which could also be used. We need to wean ourself off the Chinese supply chain. This will take decades, but the lesson here is that it will be used against us in future.

Europe is big enough as an internal market to sustain a good quality of life for the majority of the population — even if our 1% are disadvantaged relative to those in US, Russia. We have the capital and resources to defend ourselves too. We can open outward to Canada, Australia, democratic parts of Asia, Africa. But we need to avoid any dependence on powerful authoritarian regimes like China, India, the US, Indonesia etc.

Re: Go European: Discover European products and services

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Post by actionfromafar »

wouldbecouldbe wrote: post #110
kergonath wrote: post #80

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> Let's make our market as large and attractive as possible! That would be the rational and sensible solution. This may be why it’s unlikely to happen. I would be happy to be wrong.

If only it was so simple, there are of course many conflicting interests in Europe, with certain countries who are more export oriented for instance benefiting from a weak Euro and others from a stronger Euro etc.

But the EU is a single market.
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