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Re: Go European: Discover European products and services

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Post by CER10TY »

junto wrote: post #74
CER10TY wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That doesn't really work as long as you have legislation like the CLOUD Act, which means EU-based businesses have to think twice about using any US providers, especially if they handle sensitive customer data and also since the DPF is on the way out.

Only because the US refuses to properly protect consumer privacy and seemingly can no longer be trusted at all. If Trump forces Microsoft to turn off Office 365 for example for the EU, or blocks AWS, GCP or Azure from doing business with the EU then European businesses are screwed. We’ve now realized these risks are potentially real and European countries are scrambling to look for alternatives (and realizing that th…

Considering the PCLOB has lost some of its members, it's questionable whether the DPF can continue to exist in its current form. If it does go out the window, then Trump won't need to tell AWS/GCP to stop doing business with the EU, since European companies wouldn't legally be allowed to transfer data to US companies anyway.

I expect the EU commission will take a _very_ long time to actually act on this tho. Maybe we'll see Schrems III first.

Re: Go European: Discover European products and services

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Post by robin_reala »

holowoodman wrote: post #12
robin_reala wrote: post #5

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Only if you’re not using cookies for anything else.

Wrong. Functionally necessary cookies like login or shopping cart cookies need no banners.

Right, yes, I was thinking about advertising cookies and additional functionality but you are of course correct for those examples.

Re: Go European: Discover European products and services

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Post by Galatians4_16 »

mrweasel wrote: post #127
batrat wrote: post #95

(Rant sorry) While i'm from EU and I support the movement, after I looked over some numbers it is hard to ditch something like Amazon. 1st thing for me are the prices and monthly I can save at least 100 Euros just from shopping on deals. Second Amazon employs 150k people across EU and this is not a low number (how about them?). Yes we need alternatives but the rich EU guys also have to invest some. Sometimes I feel t…

Amazon is probably the easiest for me to ditch. It's not really that much cheaper, and when you include shipping it's certainly not cheaper. Shipping times are horrible, search is broken, half of everything is a scam and again, it's not that much cheaper, if at at all. I can see that being very dependent on what you're buying though.

Add to that how amazon boxes stand out, and are easily targeted by porch thieves.

Re: Go European: Discover European products and services

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Post by onli »

guerrilla wrote: post #108
batrat wrote: post #95

(Rant sorry) While i'm from EU and I support the movement, after I looked over some numbers it is hard to ditch something like Amazon. 1st thing for me are the prices and monthly I can save at least 100 Euros just from shopping on deals. Second Amazon employs 150k people across EU and this is not a low number (how about them?). Yes we need alternatives but the rich EU guys also have to invest some. Sometimes I feel t…

Your arguments ignore externalities. You aren't saving 100 EUR. You pay for it in many other ways. There's no such thing as free lunch, as the saying goes. They're just hijacking your short-term thinking.

He isn't saving 100€ at all if Amazon's prices are higher than the competition, which is almost always true for every product I ever checked during the last five years, at least.

Re: Go European: Discover European products and services

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Post by matt-p »

albertgoeswoof wrote: post #33

Thank you for including the UK, we are still part of Europe! Added my company ( https://mailpace.com ) - I’m looking forward to a resurgence of innovation in European tech companies, the talent and education here is amazing, we just need to improve our investment and start treating tech with as much respect as we give to law, finance and other “prestigious” career paths here

I'd love to use this, but notice it's hosted in the EU, is there any way of ensuring we go through UK servers only?

Re: Go European: Discover European products and services

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Post by ChainHacker »

Hikikomori wrote: post #111
piokoch wrote: post #64

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No we don't have a megacorp like Amazon, why would we want one? You think we cant buy things online without them?

For anything time critical Amazon Prime is a godsend.

1) Anything PC related I can get shipped to me tomorrow. There is one local computer store and they just repair laptops and phones with absolute rip off prices (£70 for a HDMI cable). Before Amazon it took days to get an order shipped from one of the big PC suppliers in the UK, Payment used to an absolute PITA frequently card gets rejected on dubious grounds. I've had a PSUs die before, I can get one shipped to me tomorrow.

2) I am working on an old car at the moment as a hobby. Working on old vehicles you will find many small bodges or you won't realise until 50% of the way into it you need a replacement part. Almost everyone uses the postal service and the delivery time is 3-5 days or they charge you £15 for next day delivery (which is often more than the price of the part). So any job can be stopped by a missing part and I have to wait 3 days to get a replacement part or be ripped off. I have literally no alternative than to use these suppliers much of the time and it is a major source of frustration because it will take me an extra week to do a job.

That is the USP of Amazon Prime.

Re: Go European: Discover European products and services

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Post by holowoodman »

Mordisquitos wrote: post #132
dvh wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

$ wget -qO - https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/PDF/?uri=CELE... | pdftotext - - | grep -i banner | wc -l 0

Article 6 Lawfulness of processing 1. Processing shall be lawful only if and to the extent that at least one of the following applies: (a) the data subject has given consent to the processing of his or her personal data for one or more specific purposes; (b) processing is necessary for the performance of a contract to which the data subject is party or in order to take steps at the request of the data subject prior t…

Also relevant to cookies, ePrivacy directive Article 5 (3):

Member States shall ensure that the use of electronic communications networks to store information or to gain access to information stored in the terminal equipment of a subscriber or user is only allowed on condition that the subscriber or user concerned is provided with clear and comprehensive information in accordance with Directive 95/46/EC, inter alia about the purposes of the processing, and is offered the right to refuse such processing by the data controller. This shall not prevent any technical storage or access for the sole purpose of carrying out or facilitating the transmission of a communication over an electronic communications network, or as strictly necessary in order to provide an information society service explicitly requested by the subscriber or user.

https://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=CELEX...

Re: Go European: Discover European products and services

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Post by FirmwareBurner »

microtonal wrote: post #138
ChocolateGod wrote: post #67

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Whilst a good idea, no politician is going to try and do it under the fear of reigniting the Brexit argument which ends up dominating politics in the country.

Yeah, that's why I don't think it's in the cards yet. On the other hand, things are very fluid now. Things that were unthinkable two months ago (e.g. Germany ending the 'debt brake') are happening now.

>Germany ending the 'debt brake') are happening now.

Now what exactly they're goanna do with the extra debt is the question.

More debt to fund innovation, infrastructure, defense, education and healthcare is welcome, but if it's just more debt to fund welfare and pensions, like Southern Europe, then nothing will improve.

Re: Go European: Discover European products and services

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Post by albertgoeswoof »

matt-p wrote: post #155
albertgoeswoof wrote: post #33

Thank you for including the UK, we are still part of Europe! Added my company ( https://mailpace.com ) - I’m looking forward to a resurgence of innovation in European tech companies, the talent and education here is amazing, we just need to improve our investment and start treating tech with as much respect as we give to law, finance and other “prestigious” career paths here

I'd love to use this, but notice it's hosted in the EU, is there any way of ensuring we go through UK servers only?

Our infra is split across France (our API, database, inbound servers etc.), Germany (backups) and UK (outbound SMTP servers).

Unfortunately we haven't seen enough demand in the UK to set up a UK only infra (nor are there any UK cloud providers that would work for us?)

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