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Re: Go European: Discover European products and services

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Post by nonrandomstring »

Breakups are painful. A great battle is afoot on the "data sovereignty" ground, for sure.

It's over a year since I spoke at Cloud Native Media [0] on the urgent need to extricate sensitive processes and data from US American companies.

At the time there were a few angry reactions - mainly from people accepting the risks for the first time and acknowledging how deeply enmeshed/dependent their operations are. Most of the assembled creators, CEOs, journalists, fully understood and were enthusiastic about relocating away from US BigTech.

It's March 2025 and the US has gone full-fascism. AFAICS, all of US BigTech (bar some tepid resistance from Apple) has fully aligned with an agenda that is unconscionable to liberal democracy.

Yet we still have problems like UK government departments that are running on Microsoft Teams or casually using Google docs in ways that seem wholly inappropriate to security and safety of data and users.

Where I'm working on sensitive projects I find myself repeatedly having to point out that we urgently need independent end-to-end encrypted video chat and collaboration tools.

For email I've started removing some @gmail recipients in CC where they are not strictly NTK.

[0] https://cybershow.uk/blog/posts/cloud-native-talk/

Re: Go European: Discover European products and services

#102

Post by Kkoala »

hans_castorp wrote: post #35
olivier-tille wrote: post #2

Similar project: https://european-alternatives.eu

And: https://www.buy-european-made.eu/

This is same as https://www.goeuropean.org/

> Why did you change your name from Buy European Made to Go European?

> We changed our name to better reflect our evolving mission and values. "Go European" encompasses a broader range of initiatives and activities that support European culture, tourism, and services, beyond just promoting European-made products.

Re: Go European: Discover European products and services

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Post by t43562 »

franze wrote: post #72
hans_castorp wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, as Greenland is part of Denmark, the threat is against a member of the EU

Greenland is part of the Kingdom of Denmark, but it's not part of the EU. It was originally part of the EU (back when it was the EEC) but voted to leave in a referendum in 1982, officially exiting in 1985. Today, Greenland has a special status called Overseas Country and Territory (OCT), meaning it has trade deals with the EU, but EU rules don't directly apply there.

The threat is something Denmark will have to respond to in some way. The rest of this is specious.

Re: Go European: Discover European products and services

#104

Post by briandear »

bigfudge wrote: post #47
shafyy wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, and ideally we would have no wars, either. But because of fucking psychos like Putin, Trump, Xi Jinping and many more, we do. Therefore, unfortunately, it makes sense for EU to decrease their economic dependence on outside players like the US and China.

I think it's important that we _do_ also include China in this. It's not just that Trump has demonstrated that the US is unreliable. We have also seen (again) that sociopaths in charge of authoritarian regimes can do things that are perfectly capable of acting against their own economic interests for political, cultural, religious reasons. Depending on global interconnectedness of markets has not and will not save us…

So Romania should be kicked out as well? They’re denying ballot access to a candidate that has broad popular support. Is that democracy when the people can’t vote for a candidate of their choice?

Re: Go European: Discover European products and services

#105

Post by ramchip »

zppln wrote: post #42

While I do find it an interesting exercise to reflect over my own choices of products and services and consider how I could divest myself from relying on ones provided by US companies (and I do agree Europe is too reliant on the US in some regards), it is a bit sad to see how quickly things are spiraling here. People really love to have a clear enemy...

The US is threatening to take my home country by force and subjugate us. Maybe that context helps understand?

Re: Go European: Discover European products and services

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Post by t43562 »

bigfudge wrote: post #47
shafyy wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, and ideally we would have no wars, either. But because of fucking psychos like Putin, Trump, Xi Jinping and many more, we do. Therefore, unfortunately, it makes sense for EU to decrease their economic dependence on outside players like the US and China.

I think it's important that we _do_ also include China in this. It's not just that Trump has demonstrated that the US is unreliable. We have also seen (again) that sociopaths in charge of authoritarian regimes can do things that are perfectly capable of acting against their own economic interests for political, cultural, religious reasons. Depending on global interconnectedness of markets has not and will not save us…

We haven't built quite as much of a security dependence on China so I think this is more like the US becoming "another China."

Re: Go European: Discover European products and services

#108

Post by guerrilla »

batrat wrote: post #95

(Rant sorry) While i'm from EU and I support the movement, after I looked over some numbers it is hard to ditch something like Amazon. 1st thing for me are the prices and monthly I can save at least 100 Euros just from shopping on deals. Second Amazon employs 150k people across EU and this is not a low number (how about them?). Yes we need alternatives but the rich EU guys also have to invest some. Sometimes I feel t…

Your arguments ignore externalities. You aren't saving 100 EUR. You pay for it in many other ways. There's no such thing as free lunch, as the saying goes. They're just hijacking your short-term thinking.

Re: Go European: Discover European products and services

#110

Post by wouldbecouldbe »

kergonath wrote: post #80
microtonal wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I know that it's not in the cards (yet), but I hope the UK and the EU can be a single market again (even if the UK does not rejoin the EU). Let's make our market as large and attractive as possible! We love the UK and you are part of the European family :hugs:.

> Let's make our market as large and attractive as possible! That would be the rational and sensible solution. This may be why it’s unlikely to happen. I would be happy to be wrong.

If only it was so simple, there are of course many conflicting interests in Europe, with certain countries who are more export oriented for instance benefiting from a weak Euro and others from a stronger Euro etc.
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