Tesla is (in)famous for making unrealistic promises, and not delivering on them.
Tesla created secret team to suppress driving range complaints (2023)
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Re: Tesla created secret team to suppress driving range complaints (2023)
#212Earlier quoted context omitted.
I suppose that would violate the advertiser's "free speech". It's very ironic that everyone is so afraid of Orwellian's "Ministry of Truth", and that we end in a world ruled by "Lies, Damn Lies, and Statistical parrots, Inc."
The "Ministry of Truth" in this case is a bad analogy though, since in the story, its purpose was to redefine what is the truth according to state up to the point of forcing people ignore the proof that they see in front of their eyes through torture.
Parent wasn’t using it as an analogy though, they were saying it is ironic we were afraid of the state doing that when subtler corporate means are what we ended up with.
I don’t know if it is ironic, though — maybe more of an Orwellian inoculation that pushed the problem elsewhere.
Re: Tesla created secret team to suppress driving range complaints (2023)
#213From a company that sell "full self-driving" cars that don't, you now, "self drive fully", I was kinda already expecting that whatever advertised range was, to put it nicely, a "large exageration". The bit of code in the dashboard to exaggerate even more is a nice touch. I wonder what the commit message was for that PR ? (Or maybe Tesla does not do PRs or commits, and just let anyone build anything on their laptop an…
There was a time where false advertising used to be illegal.
That time is now, thankfully the consumer protection organizations and car testing organizations stepped up and will / should now test in a standardized fashion an electric car's driving range and slap them on the wrist if it's much different from their advertised amount.
Re: Tesla created secret team to suppress driving range complaints (2023)
#214From a company that sell "full self-driving" cars that don't, you now, "self drive fully", I was kinda already expecting that whatever advertised range was, to put it nicely, a "large exageration". The bit of code in the dashboard to exaggerate even more is a nice touch. I wonder what the commit message was for that PR ? (Or maybe Tesla does not do PRs or commits, and just let anyone build anything on their laptop an…
I know you weren’t expecting a serious response, but Tesla does use Git. They actually use a fairly standard version of GitHub enterprise.
Re: Tesla created secret team to suppress driving range complaints (2023)
#215Earlier quoted context omitted.
There was a time where false advertising used to be illegal.
I suppose that would violate the advertiser's "free speech". It's very ironic that everyone is so afraid of Orwellian's "Ministry of Truth", and that we end in a world ruled by "Lies, Damn Lies, and Statistical parrots, Inc."
Advertisement doesn't (shouldn't?) fall under free speech though, it's not an individually held opinion etc etc.
Re: Tesla created secret team to suppress driving range complaints (2023)
#216Earlier quoted context omitted.
I suppose that would violate the advertiser's "free speech". It's very ironic that everyone is so afraid of Orwellian's "Ministry of Truth", and that we end in a world ruled by "Lies, Damn Lies, and Statistical parrots, Inc."
The "Ministry of Truth" in this case is a bad analogy though, since in the story, its purpose was to redefine what is the truth according to state up to the point of forcing people ignore the proof that they see in front of their eyes through torture.
I'm now picturing a customer support that can send henchmen to convince you that, "no, we never advertised 500m of autonomy, and your range did not drop unexpectedly while you were driving, and anyway the car was fully self-driving itself into that tree - we have logs and data and signed ToC to prove ourselves, now please sit down on this chair so we can strap you and use this big red hammer to protect your free speech."
And it' supposed to sound ridiculous and Terry Gilliam-esque, but it's now eerily realistic...
Re: Tesla created secret team to suppress driving range complaints (2023)
#217Earlier quoted context omitted.
Slightly more nuanced: the "range"/battery level listed constantly is always bunk. When I enter a destination the final battery level is very accurate. This counts in cold weather or hot, with terrain effects or not. Sometimes even weather. It's quite good and I imagine there's some data driven process from past performance of the vehicle. So, if you plan to test drive a Tesla, evaluate its range this way. If you're…
Counterpoint: Our BMW i3 gets EPA range on my round trip commute in the summer. It starts at the top of a mountain with a “100%” (actually 90% according to reverse engineering) battery (a tesla couldn’t regen in that situation, the bmw can). It can be as low as 80% of EPA range with the heat pump cranked up in low 30F’s weather. I’ve carefully measured two other EVs (not Tesla) on that route. One gets 110% of EPA, bu…
> It starts at the top of a mountain with a “100%” (actually 90% according to reverse engineering) battery (a tesla couldn’t regen in that situation, the bmw can).
Ah so BMW advertises (and charges to I assume?) 10% less capacity than actual, which both reduces wear and allows regen even on full battery?
That's actually pretty cool. They're effectively sacrificing marketing for user experience.
Re: Tesla created secret team to suppress driving range complaints (2023)
#218I hope someone will make driving range great again.
Re: Tesla created secret team to suppress driving range complaints (2023)
#219From a company that sell "full self-driving" cars that don't, you now, "self drive fully", I was kinda already expecting that whatever advertised range was, to put it nicely, a "large exageration". The bit of code in the dashboard to exaggerate even more is a nice touch. I wonder what the commit message was for that PR ? (Or maybe Tesla does not do PRs or commits, and just let anyone build anything on their laptop an…
I know you weren’t expecting a serious response, but Tesla does use Git. They actually use a fairly standard version of GitHub enterprise.
Using git does not mean there is a PR process in place. Git can be used just in the way the GP describes, recklessly putting binaries onto cars.
Re: Tesla created secret team to suppress driving range complaints (2023)
#220Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Electric cars being much, much heavier than petrol cars This is one of those comments that continues to come up but has never added up. Certainly if you are comparing a Tesla compared to a compact or a Euro version of a compact. Absolutely there is a weight difference. The problem is if you did a like for like comparison..a Model Y is the same Weight as an X3. A Model 3 is a couple hundred pounds heavier than a Toy…
Difference between a petrol and electric Volvo XC40 is about 200KGs, so not insignificant but not as much as it's sometimes portrayed. EVs built from the ground-up may be able to knock a few of those KGs off too as they won't have structures designed for ICE components.
According to carsized.com an ICE Volvo XC40 (not sure whether that's a plug-in hybrid, probably not) weighs 1580 kg, while the BEV one weighs 2040 kg. That's a difference of almost 500 kg. The BEV weighs almost 30% more, that seems pretty significant to me.
Batteries are heavy!
https://www.carsized.com/en/cars/compare/volvo-xc40-2017-suv...