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Re: I've been using Claude Code for a couple of days

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The first half is correct, but the conclusions shouldn’t be ‘we’re replicating our software engineers with Claude today’, they’re ‘our experienced engineers just 10x their productivity, we’ll never need to hire an intern’

You mean "our experienced engineers just 10x'd their productivity, so we can fire 90% of them"

Nah the value unlock is too great. For now. Don’t quote me next March.

Re: I've been using Claude Code for a couple of days

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Right on point. The same principle applies when deciding whether to use a framework or not. Coders often marvel at the speed with which they can build something using a framework they don’t fully understand. However, a true programmer seeks to know and comprehend what’s happening under the hood.

I'll preface this with the fact I agree that there is a difference between using a framework and being curious enough to dig into the details I think you're veering into No True Scotsman territory here. IMO, the vast majority of programmers wouldn't meet the definition you've put forward here. I don't know many that dig into the operating system, platform, or hardware all that much, though I work in streaming media s…

I'm the one who feels uncomfortable when something is magical. I'm trying to dig whenever possible. I don't always have success. I know very little about Linux kernel internals, for example.

That said, it's rarely pays out. Quite the opposite: I often spending lots of time digging unnecessarily. I'm not complaining, I am who I am and I don't want to change. Digging into internals makes me happier and satisfied. And sometimes it is useful. So Linux kernel internals are on the roadmap and hopefully I'll dig into it some day.

I agree that absolute majority of people I met are not of that kind. And probably they should not. Learning business side of the software is what makes someone really useful. I hate business side, I only love computer side.

Re: I've been using Claude Code for a couple of days

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I decided to check this out after seeing the discussion here. I had previously misunderstood that it required a Claude.ai plan, but it actually just uses your API keys. I did a comparison between Claude Code and Aider (my normal go-to): I asked it to do clone a minor feature in my existing app with some minor modifications (specifically, a new global keyboard shortcut in a Swift app). Claude Code spent about 60 secon…

Now, the billion dollar question is - how long would it take you to code that diff?

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Re: I've been using Claude Code for a couple of days

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I decided to check this out after seeing the discussion here. I had previously misunderstood that it required a Claude.ai plan, but it actually just uses your API keys. I did a comparison between Claude Code and Aider (my normal go-to): I asked it to do clone a minor feature in my existing app with some minor modifications (specifically, a new global keyboard shortcut in a Swift app). Claude Code spent about 60 secon…

Same here, I did a few small taks with Claude Code after seeing this discussion here and is too expensive for me. A small change to create a script file (20 LoC) was 10cts, a quick edit to a README was 7ct Yes yes engineers make more than that blah blah but the cost would quickly jump out of control for bigger tasks. I’d easy burn through $10-20 upwards a day with this, or upwards $100-$300 a month. Unless you have a…

> Yes yes engineers make more than that blah blah but the cost would quickly jump out of control for bigger tasks.

Also (most) engineers don't hallucinate answers. Claude still does regularly. When it does it in chat mode via a flat rate Pro plan I can laugh it off and modify the prompt to give it the context it clearly didn't understand but if its costing me very real money for the LLM to over-eagerly over-engineer an incorrect implementation of the stated feature its a lot less funny.

Re: I've been using Claude Code for a couple of days

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I decided to check this out after seeing the discussion here. I had previously misunderstood that it required a Claude.ai plan, but it actually just uses your API keys. I did a comparison between Claude Code and Aider (my normal go-to): I asked it to do clone a minor feature in my existing app with some minor modifications (specifically, a new global keyboard shortcut in a Swift app). Claude Code spent about 60 secon…

Now, the billion dollar question is - how long would it take you to code that diff?

Probably about 3 minutes? That's my main usage of these types of coding tools, honestly. I already know generally what I want to happen and validating that the LLM is on the right track / reached the right solution is easy.

I'm not saying that "Claude Code makes me 300% more effective", but I guess it did for this (simple) task.

Re: I've been using Claude Code for a couple of days

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I do not know how to code, nothing beyond the simplest things but I am obsessed with AI development. Several month’s ago I decided to see if Claude could do the work for me. My test was to create a tower defense game that would run in a web browser. It took me about eight prompts, each time refining it, including agreeing to the suggesting that Claude recommended and seeing Claude agree with me on the bugs that I poi…

I suspect, that just like real developers, that Claude is best at "greenfield" projects, but not so good at making changes to existing code generated by other developers or AIs.

Re: I've been using Claude Code for a couple of days

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I must be the dumbest "prompt engineer" ever, each time I ask an AI to fix or even worse, create something from scratch it rarely returns the right answer and when asked for modification it will struggle even more. All the incredible performance and success stories always come from these Twitter posts, I do find value in asking simple but tedious task like a small refactor or generate commands, but this "AI takes the…

Some hints for people stuck like this: Consider using Aider. It's a great tool and cheaper to use than Code. Look at Aiders LLM leaderboard to figure out which LLMs to use. Use its architect mode (although you can get quite fast without it - I personally haven't needed it). Work incrementally. I use at least 3 branches. My main one, a dev one and a debug one. I develop on dev. When I encounter a bug I switch to debug…

do you have a special prompt to instruct aider to log file changes in the repo's README? I've used aider in repos with a README.md but it has not done this update. (granted, i've never /add the readme into aider's context window before either...)

Re: I've been using Claude Code for a couple of days

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LLMs seem to work a lot better with statically typed languages where the compiler can give feedback.

LLMs are what’s finally going to make Haskell popular!

And Haskell is going to make LLMs popular! https://groq.com/

Re: I've been using Claude Code for a couple of days

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Further follow-up from Steve (OP), where he says it just gets better:

> Claude Code keeps doing stuff. It keeps solving massive problems, one after another. I throw larger and larger things at it, and it is unfazed. Chomp. Chomp. Chomp.

https://x.com/Steve_Yegge/status/1898993080931611112

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