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A bear case: My predictions regarding AI progress

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Re: A bear case: My predictions regarding AI progress

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I think all these articles begging the question: what's author's credential to claim these things. Be careful about consuming information from chatters, not doers. There is only knowledge from doing, not from pondering.

> Be careful about consuming information from chatters, not doers The doers produce a new javascript framework every week, claiming it finally solves all the pains of previous frameworks, whereas the chatters pinpoint all the deficiencies and pain points. One group has an immensely better track record than the other.

I would listen to people who used the previous frameworks about the deficiencies and pain points, not people who just casually browse the documentation about their high-flying ideas why these have deficiencies and pain points.

One group has an immensely more convincing power to me.

Re: A bear case: My predictions regarding AI progress

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> LLMs still seem as terrible at this as they'd been in the GPT-3.5 age. Software agents break down once the codebase becomes complex enough, game-playing agents get stuck in loops out of which they break out only by accident, etc.

This has been my observation. I got into Github Copilot as early as it launched back when GPT-3 was the model. By that time (late 2021) copilot can already write tests for my Rust functions, and simple documentation. This was revolutionary. We didn't have another similar moment since then.

The Github copilot vim plugin is always on. As you keep typing, it keeps suggesting in faded text the rest of the context. Because it is always on, I kind of can read into the AI "mind". The more I coded, the more I realized it's just search with structured results. The results got better with 3.5/4 but after that only slightly and sometimes not quite (ie: 4o or o1).

I don't care what anyone says, as yesterday I made a comment that truth has essentially died: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43308513 If you have a revolutionary intelligence product, why is it not working for me?

Re: A bear case: My predictions regarding AI progress

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> LLMs still seem as terrible at this as they'd been in the GPT-3.5 age. Software agents break down once the codebase becomes complex enough, game-playing agents get stuck in loops out of which they break out only by accident, etc. This has been my observation. I got into Github Copilot as early as it launched back when GPT-3 was the model. By that time (late 2021) copilot can already write tests for my Rust function…

You’re not using the best tools.

Claude Code, Cline, Cursor… all of them with Claude 3.7.

Re: A bear case: My predictions regarding AI progress

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> It blows Google out of the water at being Google That is enough for me.

I sincerely wonder how long that will be true. Google was amazing and didn't have more than small, easily ignorable ads in 1999, and they weren't really tracking you the way they are today, just an all-around better experience than Google delivers today.

I'm not sure that it's a technology difference that makes LLM a better experience than search today, it's that the VC's are still willing to subsidize user experience today, and won't start looking for return on their investment for a few more years. Give OpenAI 10 years to pull all the levers to pay back the VC investment and what will it be like?

Re: A bear case: My predictions regarding AI progress

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post #22

> LLMs still seem as terrible at this as they'd been in the GPT-3.5 age. Software agents break down once the codebase becomes complex enough, game-playing agents get stuck in loops out of which they break out only by accident, etc. This has been my observation. I got into Github Copilot as early as it launched back when GPT-3 was the model. By that time (late 2021) copilot can already write tests for my Rust function…

You’re not using the best tools. Claude Code, Cline, Cursor… all of them with Claude 3.7.

Nope. I try the latest models as they come and I have a self-made custom setup (as in a custom lua plugin) in Neovim. What I am not, is selling AI or AI-driven solutions.

Re: A bear case: My predictions regarding AI progress

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Yeah, I'd buy it. I've been using Claude pretty intensively as a coding assistant for the last couple months, and the limitations are obvious. When the path of least resistance happens to be a good solution, Claude excels. When the best solution is off the beaten track, Claude struggles. When all the good solutions lay off the beaten track, Claude falls flat on its face.

Talking with Claude about design feels like talking with that one coworker who's familiar with every trendy library and framework. Claude knows the general sentiment around each library and has gone through the quickstart, but when you start asking detailed technical questions Claude just nods along. I wouldn't bet money on it, but my gut feeling is that LLMs aren't going to be a straight or even curved shot to AGI. We're going to see plenty more development in LLMs, but it'll be just be that. Better LLMs that remain LLMs. There will be areas where progress is fast and we'll be able to get very high intelligence in certain situations, but there will also be many areas where progress is slow, and the slow areas will cripple the ability of LLMs to reach AGI. I think there's something fundamentally missing, and finding what that "something" is is going to take us decades.

Re: A bear case: My predictions regarding AI progress

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Yeah agree 100%. LLMs are overrated. I describe them as the “Jack of all, master of none” of AI. LLMs are that jackass guy we all know who has to chime in to every topic like he knows everything, but in reality he’s a fraud with low self-esteem.

I’ve known a guy since college who now has a PhD in something niche, supposedly pulls a $200k/yr salary. One of our first conversations (in college, circa 2014) was how he had this clever and easy way to mint money- by selling Minecraft servers installed on Raspberry Pis. Some of you will recognize how asinine this idea was and is. For everyone else- back then, Minecraft only ran on x86 CPUs (and I doubt a Pi would make a good Minecraft server today, even if it were economical). He had no idea what he was talking about, he was just spewing shit like he was God’s gift. Actually, the problem wasn’t that he had no idea- it was that he knew a tiny bit- enough to sound smart to an idiot (remind you of anyone?).

That’s an LLM. A jackass with access to Google.

I’ve had great success with SLMs (small language models), and what’s more I don’t need a rack of NVIDIA L40 GPUs to train and use them.

Re: A bear case: My predictions regarding AI progress

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post #5

I think all these articles begging the question: what's author's credential to claim these things. Be careful about consuming information from chatters, not doers. There is only knowledge from doing, not from pondering.

LW isn't a place that cares about credentialism.

He has tons of links for the objective statements. You either accept the interpretation or you don't.

Re: A bear case: My predictions regarding AI progress

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Let's imagine that we all had a trillion dollars. Then we would all sit around and go "well dang, we have everything, what should we do?". I think you'll find that just about everyone would agree, "we oughta see how far that LLM thing can go". We could be in nuclear fallout shelters for decades, and I think you'll still see us trying to push the LLM thing underground, through duress. We dream of this, so the bear cas…

Wdym all of us? I certainly would find much better usages for the money.

What about reforming democracy? Use the corrupt system to buy the votes, then abolish all laws allowing these kind of donations that allow buying votes.

I'll litigate the hell out of all the oligarchs now that they can't out pay justice.

This would pay off more than a moon shot. I would give a bit of money for the moon shot, why not, but not all of it.

Re: A bear case: My predictions regarding AI progress

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Author also made a highly upvoted and controversial comment about o3 in the same vein that's worth reading: https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/Ao4enANjWNsYiSFqc/o3?comment...

Oh course lesswrong, being heavily AI doomers, may be slightly biased against near term AGI just from motivated reasoning.

Gotta love this part of the post no one has yet addressed:

> At some unknown point – probably in 2030s, possibly tomorrow (but likely not tomorrow) – someone will figure out a different approach to AI. Maybe a slight tweak to the LLM architecture, maybe a completely novel neurosymbolic approach. Maybe it will happen in a major AGI lab, maybe in some new startup. By default, everyone will die in <1 year after that

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