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Mark Carney is the new leader of the Liberal Party of Canada

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Re: Mark Carney is the new leader of the Liberal Party of Canada

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Post by sdesol »

GypsyKing716 wrote: post #22

Sorry to hear this news. I don't want to spoil the party, but the bucking heads between both countries, especially as a border town dual-citizen, its only going to make living in the Canada that much more difficult for me. The US economy is 9x bigger and with a population of 45M vs. 325M+ - its crazy. Ontario dominates the political spectrum (just a point of fact, not of affiliation) it doesn't allow for collaboratio…

> I'm sorry, we're assholes when it comes to nationalism sometimes

Please speak for yourself, as a fellow Canadian. This is not about nationalism, but rather about not giving into a bully. If we start begging for mercy now, things will just get worst. And no, most Canadians do not fear the US invading, as many believe a civil war in the US will happen before that. We also have the luxury of having goodwill among many around the world, so selling our goods will not be an issue but we will obviously have to lower our margins to overcome geographical barriers.

I just want to make it clear for any readers here that GypskyKing716 is not the voice for all Canadians, and his voice is his own, like mine is.

Re: Mark Carney is the new leader of the Liberal Party of Canada

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Post by icegreentea2 »

mitthrowaway2 wrote: post #39
icegreentea2 wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Carbon tax is toxic in Canada. Bashing it is like a quarter of the conservative's platform. There's an interview with the former Minister of Environment who pushed through carbon pricing ( https://thetyee.ca/News/2025/02/11/Catherine-McKenna-Intervi... - note this is a thoroughly left leaning newspaper). She notes that she felt the government's failure to properly communicate/advertise about how carbon pricing works…

For those of us not already determined to vote conservative, the carbon tax was one of the most compelling reasons to vote liberal. It was a well designed policy, even if many people don't understand it. Since they're both axing the tax anyway, that's one less differentiator which leaves me thinking maybe I should just choose based on who is more likely to pop the real estate bubble.

Fair enough.

But overall polling is pretty clear (this is from Jan 2024, but I imagine it's probably pretty similar now) https://abacusdata.ca/carbon-tax-pollution-pricing-carbon-ac...

31% say they won't vote liberals regardless of carbon tax, 23% say they won't vote liberal because of, or partly because of carbon tax, 38% says their liberal support is carbon pricing agnostic, and 8% says carbon pricing makes liberals more attractive.

Re: Mark Carney is the new leader of the Liberal Party of Canada

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Post by hn_throwaway_99 »

classichasclass wrote: post #15
ghssds wrote: post #5

"Les canadiens et les canadiens sont inquiets du cul de la vie!" --Mark Carney. The next few years will be delightful.

Okay, my schoolboy French is tres terrible, but am I translating this correctly? "The Canadians and the Canadians are worried about the ass of life"?

Also schoolboy French speaker, but my assumption is that it's a malapropism: "Les Canadiens sont inquiets du coût de la vie!" would mean "Canadians are worried about the cost of living", and my guess is "cul de la vie" is how some heard his accent.

Re: Mark Carney is the new leader of the Liberal Party of Canada

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Post by hn_throwaway_99 »

rayiner wrote: post #37
jasoneckert wrote: post #3

The speeches tonight by Chrétien and Carney were quite powerful and succinct. There were a lot of gems in there that will likely go viral on US and Canada news networks. But what struck me the most from the speeches was the strong sense of certainty that Carney is the right person to take Canada into the next decade.

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Care to explain what you mean by that?

Re: Mark Carney is the new leader of the Liberal Party of Canada

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Post by toomuchtodo »

hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #44
rayiner wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Care to explain what you mean by that?

“Comprising the largest visible minority group in the region, Toronto is the destination of over half of the immigrants coming from India to Canada, and India is the single largest source of immigrants in the Greater Toronto Area.”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Asian_Canadians_in_the_G...

Re: Mark Carney is the new leader of the Liberal Party of Canada

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Post by snapplebobapple »

Macha wrote: post #17
rayiner wrote: post #7

Note that he’s only Prime Minister temporarily. He’s replacing Trudeau and will call elections soon (must be before October) and will go up against Poilievre. EDIT: Didn’t mean to suggest he won’t win the election. But he’ll have to defend the seat.

Potentially temporarily - the tariffs and 51st state rhetoric has really shifted the polling there from an easy conservative win to a liberal resurgence

That's not really accurate. What we have is one unhinged far left polster (ekos) doing very questionable thing to skew the average and some weirdness out of ipsos occasionally. You can see many of the individual polls here: https://338canada.com/polls.htm I'm not going to bother posting the deleted twitter rants from the guy that runs ekos, but he's ruining his reputation right now because nobody will believe him after this. Carney got the new guy bump and now that people are getting to know him the polls look uglier for him each week because he's one of the architects of the policies that are so unpopular.

Re: Mark Carney is the new leader of the Liberal Party of Canada

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Post by gggtttkkk88 »

rayiner wrote: post #37
jasoneckert wrote: post #3

The speeches tonight by Chrétien and Carney were quite powerful and succinct. There were a lot of gems in there that will likely go viral on US and Canada news networks. But what struck me the most from the speeches was the strong sense of certainty that Carney is the right person to take Canada into the next decade.

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Re: Mark Carney is the new leader of the Liberal Party of Canada

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Post by snapplebobapple »

icegreentea2 wrote: post #33
nayuki wrote: post #28

> On that note, he announced the carbon tax would soon be cancelled. I'm super-disappointed. The carbon tax is the most effective market-based mechanism for controlling carbon dioxide emissions. The majority of economists support it, while political support trails behind significantly. Also, it's disingenuous to only focus on axing the carbon tax without mentioning that the quarterly refund to every resident of Canad…

Carbon tax is toxic in Canada. Bashing it is like a quarter of the conservative's platform. There's an interview with the former Minister of Environment who pushed through carbon pricing ( https://thetyee.ca/News/2025/02/11/Catherine-McKenna-Intervi... - note this is a thoroughly left leaning newspaper). She notes that she felt the government's failure to properly communicate/advertise about how carbon pricing works…

It's more that it's a dumb idea in the face of other government regulations making it impossible to substitute (looking at you mostly zoning making walking, biking, and public transit best case being extremely inconvenient vs car and severely limiting accommodation choice to mostly very low density car required single family or a very small supply mostly ancient missing middle options or sky scrapers.) This makes the carbon tax need to be very high to change behavior which has knock on effects in the less easily substitutable stuff we all need like food transport that makes every noticeably poorer even when they are getting reimbursed for most to all of their primary carbon tax payments. It doesn't help that close by competitors don't have this tax and can incentivize various companies to leave for greener pastures.

So it's not that it was improperly communicated, pretty much every Canadian understands what is going on. It's that it's dumb without a myriad of other changes to regulation at various other levels of government that should have been changed first. That the feds went at it alone meant it would inevitably be their downfall (all the other really questionable/borderline criminal things this government has done is bonus material)

Re: Mark Carney is the new leader of the Liberal Party of Canada

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Post by hyperbrainer »

from-nibly wrote: post #36

> Mark Carney steps into an unprecedented moment Allow me to be obtuse, and correct me if I'm wrong here, but isn't every moment unprecedented? Like, isn't that how time works?

Some things are more predictable than others. The current situation between the USA and Canada lies on the improbable side of the spectrum.
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