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US Ends Support For Ukrainian F-16s

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Post by deepsun »

peeters wrote: post #532
TrackerFF wrote: post #135

Who would have thought that the POTUS would be the person to kick foreign arms industries into sixth gear?

Sometimes I wonder if he's a secret genius that leverages his own stupidity. E.g. he might be solely responsible for getting the Liberals reelected in Canada, something that a year ago you would have thought was absolutely impossible. But Trump is so deeply hated in Canada now that every time he mocks Trudeau it makes the Liberals more popular. Liberal support, which before Trump was elected was so low as to make a C…

I heard that a lot about pretty much every country politics that "there's something more going on, some conspiracy". But again and again I see that there's nothing hidden, it's all pretty simple and dumb. We just want to overcomplicate things to feel smarter.

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Post by fellow_eng_25 »

zfg wrote: post #182
fellow_eng_25 wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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> I only see war mongers commenting here There's a fast way to end the war. The war can end tomorrow. All Russia needs to do is get out of Ukraine. All of it. Easy to do, simple to achieve. No more Russians need to die.

Exactly, sign a fucking peace deal! And it's NOT the first time a peace deal was prevented. There were even fucking peace deals before the Russian invasion.

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Post by insane_dreamer »

Simon_O_Rourke wrote: post #693

If I was a defense minister in Western Europe right now I'd go looking at whatever the Dassault, Saab or other European based defense tech can provide. I'd also immediately halt any pilot training in the US. I can see shares in Raytheon, Lockheed, etc. taking losses in the next couple of quarters, I mean here we have a president that won't even spend money on its own defense tech for export, and is now actively shutt…

It's hard to feel sorry for Raytheon Lockheed and the like, but it's looking like they should have thrown a few tens of millions at Trump's inauguration. It's pay to play now.

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Post by insane_dreamer »

nxm wrote: post #393
fvrther wrote: post #375

France sending jets while the U.S. waves the white flag? Looks like the surrender baton just got passed westward.

Sigh… a few jets can’t compare to level of aid American tax payer has given the past few years. More than OK with France finally doing something.

that's misinformation

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Post by swat535 »

addicted wrote: post #578
ta988 wrote: post #228

And the story continues. This means that no country will want to buy F16s. If you don't get support they are useless. They are eroding really fast the US shine and trust in the world. This is going to have a massive effect on the US economy, internal consumption will not save it. This is the end of an empire while its rich kings are golfing every weekend on the taxpayer dime using federal and local resources. I am re…

How can any reasonable national leader justify building their military on American systems anymore? Especially now that the U.S. government is also talking about not living up to its NATO obligations. This is not gonna hurt the rest of the world. Defense is where the U.S. exports a lot. So cutting back on U.S. weaponry will only help other nations. The same is true of Tech. Currently the tech industry is global, but…

No one should have placed their trust in the U.S to begin with.

Let's not forget that American history is riddled with interventionist failures, from Afghanistan to Vietnam, and CIA-backed operations that destabilized the Middle East and Africa, leaving behind suffering and chaos.

Meanwhile, American corporations have shown blatant disregard for local laws, privacy, and security while exploiting loopholes to dodge taxes, further eroding global trust. Europe literally had to fine them millions, just to get them to start paying _minimum_ attention..

The recent instability in American and the division between its own citizens has exacerbated the issue and now with Trump, I believe it has reach new heights, even causing conflict with its (arguably) closest ally and loving neighbor: Canada.

As a Canadian, it saddens me to write this, because I have nothing but love for American people.

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Post by lostdog »

philwelch wrote: post #804
ta988 wrote: post #228

And the story continues. This means that no country will want to buy F16s. If you don't get support they are useless. They are eroding really fast the US shine and trust in the world. This is going to have a massive effect on the US economy, internal consumption will not save it. This is the end of an empire while its rich kings are golfing every weekend on the taxpayer dime using federal and local resources. I am re…

Did Ukraine buy any F-16’s? No. They’ve benefitted from the generosity of the United States since 2017, and thanks in large part to that generosity they succeeded in the defense of Kyiv in 2022. Now it’s 2025 and the war has been stalemated for a couple of years. Does the United States have an open-ended obligation to continue supporting, at its own expense, yet another forever war on the other side of the world? The…

Interesting how the exact phrases "forever war," "open-ended obligation," and "taken for granted" keep coming up. Always in comments that lack critical thought or explanation, and never support these talking points and just take them as a given.

It's an attempt to pretend that real USA screwups, like Vietnam and Iraq II, are at all similar to Russia's invasion of Ukraine. So, philwelch, please compare and contrast. Without just echoing what you've heard, what are the pros and cons of supporting Ukraine in fighting off Russia?

ETA: Also "on the hook." As though Ukraine is forcing us to give them money?

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Post by kortilla »

JKCalhoun wrote: post #183
kortilla wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s more comments than upvotes. That’s a good indicator it’s a shitty topic filled with a flame war

I don't know that that follows.

It does on this site. People are a lot more willing to upvote than comment. If you’re commenting without upvoting it’s usually negative.

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Post by Aachen »

ssssvd wrote: post #593
RandyOrion wrote: post #161

When totalitarian governments all start applauding what you're doing, using what you're doing as a distraction from a bad domestic situation as well as a justification for their dictatorships, you should know that something is totally screwed up. Yes, I'm talking about the totalitarian governments of China and Russia.

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> For many Westerners, ‘totalitarian’ just means ‘a country that has something we want but won’t give it up for free.’

Source? It's obviously a ridiculous definition so I'm curious if you can find any source that supports the claim of "many" people having that viewpoint. Pretending to speak for the masses is the definition of populism

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Post by Peanuts99 »

layer8 wrote: post #394
jopsen wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, not delivering additional aid for free is one thing. But retracting support is the nuclear option. Figuratively, because you can probably one do it once, so you better pick a good reason for doing it. And literally, because small European countries do now have to consider nukes.

Not just small European countries, but all European countries that do not have their own nukes, which is all except France. The issue is, they’ll have to leave the Non-Proliferation Treaty for that (except for the UK, I think), and once an otherwise respected country does that, the floodgates would be open in the world. The other problem is that such a decision would be very divisive in the European country’s elector…

Both France and the UK have floated the idea of extending their nuclear umbrella to include other European nations. Both countries operate ICBM carrying submarines so don't have to deploy nukes on anyone's territory.

I wouldn't be surprised if it happens on the fact they could share the cost between nations alone for something they've already paid for.

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Post by hsuduebc2 »

Valodim wrote: post #647
hsuduebc2 wrote: post #590

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's truly eroding trust is the voting system. A system that places so much power in a single individual with complete immunity exposes its vulnerabilities-especially in a time when people can be manipulated so effectively. To be honest, I see the lack of justice as the biggest problem. If the highest courts in the U.S. are essentially political institutions, shaped by those in power rather than acting as neutral a…

It didn't used to be "complete immunity", that's part of the problem

Yea. I used word "complete" because when your last and absolute pillar of justice is political you can't expect nothing else than them behaving like politicians.
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