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Re: 1 Bitcoin Worth 10 USD

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Am I the only one to think Bitcoin is just a big Ponzi scheme benefiting the first users/creators who got all the first ones?

Bitcoins are used quite a bit for buying/selling goods. I think the latest round of currency increases is mostly a function of people wanting to purchase goods, and needing to "bid up the price" in order to make their purchase. As vendors receive bitcoins, they usually immediately sell them to get back local currency. In the last 6 months, I've never held onto a bitcoin for more than about 30 minutes. Strictly use th…

If you don't mind me asking, what do you buy with them? I know of only a few things that are only acquirable via Bitcoins, or that couldn't be acquired more cheaply using dollars.

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I don't know if 'bitcoins are being created every day' is the right way of looking at it? Bitcoins are more discovered as opposed to created. It would be like if every USD ever was buried and people were gradually digging them out of the ground and everyone knew exactly how many were buried? The amount of bitcoins in circulation is increasing but the total amount of bitcoins that will ever exist isn't increasing at a…

It's also increasing at a controlled rate. To make your analogy more complete, it'd be like all the diggers are aware of each other and whether they've found a USD or not. If too many are being found at once, everyone switches to using their hands. If still too many are found, everyone uses their tongues. If too few are being found, shovels are allowed. If still too few are being found, backhoes are allowed.

Can you give this analogous type summary of how this works from a technical perspective? I assume it doesn't rely on everyone coming to some sort of an agreement?

Re: 1 Bitcoin Worth 10 USD

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Am I the only one to think Bitcoin is just a big Ponzi scheme benefiting the first users/creators who got all the first ones?

Bitcoins are used quite a bit for buying/selling goods. I think the latest round of currency increases is mostly a function of people wanting to purchase goods, and needing to "bid up the price" in order to make their purchase. As vendors receive bitcoins, they usually immediately sell them to get back local currency. In the last 6 months, I've never held onto a bitcoin for more than about 30 minutes. Strictly use th…

>I think the latest round of currency increases is mostly a function of people wanting to purchase goods, and needing to "bid up the price" in order to make their purchase. As vendors receive bitcoins, they usually immediately sell them to get back local currency.

But because retailers will only hold onto them for probably seconds, using BTC as a transfer medium won't significantly affect the price: average selling and buying will be the same.

The only way BTC can go up is if more people hold on to more of them (reducing the available money supply), which when they are rising happens more, causing a bubble.

Re: 1 Bitcoin Worth 10 USD

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The main point is that it is decentralized and (ostensibly, with enough care) anonymous. This makes it ideal for illegal transactions (drugs, gambling, weapons, contract killing, child pornography). These being incredibly inelastic goods, price fluctuations will do little to hamper continued growth of the Bitcoin.

I dont buy it just like Feds apparently dont buy it either (yet); otherwise they would be already shutting it down. While bitcoins can be used for illegal transactions, it does not mean (and never will) that 99% of transactions will be illegal, just like Feds won't shut down knife factory because some knifes were used to kill. At the end, paying for something illegal is not illegal on its own; its the act or good you…

How could they shut it down? By making maths illegal? There'd be no point in a bill that outlawed bitcoin specifically, users would just move on to something equivalent.

That doesn't mean it isn't 99% illegal activity, just like e.g. Freenet.

Re: 1 Bitcoin Worth 10 USD

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I really don't get Bitcoin. What is the point in a currency that ranges from $2 USD to $12 USD in a year ?

The value of the currency doesn't really matter to those of us who use it - It could be 1 bitcoin to 1 USD, or 1 bitcoin to 10 USD - as long as the downwards volatility is kept to a minimum. What's problematic is when you buy something worth $50 USD with 5 Bitcoins, and the Bitcoin to USD drops before the seller can get their USD from MtGOX (or whoever their Currency Exchange house is). The upwards volatility isn't a…

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Re: 1 Bitcoin Worth 10 USD

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So it is free to convert from USD to Bitcoin and vice versa ? Because clearly I wouldn't want to hold anything in Bitcoin for a long period of time due to its instability.

It's quite cheap depending on the service. I use bitfloor, which charges some very small commission ($0.01 on a $40 deposit)

So, there is a transaction fee...

Re: 1 Bitcoin Worth 10 USD

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I dont buy it just like Feds apparently dont buy it either (yet); otherwise they would be already shutting it down. While bitcoins can be used for illegal transactions, it does not mean (and never will) that 99% of transactions will be illegal, just like Feds won't shut down knife factory because some knifes were used to kill. At the end, paying for something illegal is not illegal on its own; its the act or good you…

How could they shut it down? By making maths illegal? There'd be no point in a bill that outlawed bitcoin specifically, users would just move on to something equivalent. That doesn't mean it isn't 99% illegal activity, just like e.g. Freenet.

They could easily kill bit-coin, and having made bit-coins worthless people would have far less interest using the next currency.

Re: 1 Bitcoin Worth 10 USD

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Bitcoins are used quite a bit for buying/selling goods. I think the latest round of currency increases is mostly a function of people wanting to purchase goods, and needing to "bid up the price" in order to make their purchase. As vendors receive bitcoins, they usually immediately sell them to get back local currency. In the last 6 months, I've never held onto a bitcoin for more than about 30 minutes. Strictly use th…

If you don't mind me asking, what do you buy with them? I know of only a few things that are only acquirable via Bitcoins, or that couldn't be acquired more cheaply using dollars.

Lots of online services, from hosting to DNS to VPNs accept bitcoins. Several online stores accept them, and they're a good way to donate to, eg, Wikileaks or the Manning Defense Fund.

As far as the cost of using them, while it is non-zero, some of us just want to do our part in establishing a currency and surrounding ecosystem that is free from gov't, corporate, and other meddling. Thus we accept the small hit in price.

Re: 1 Bitcoin Worth 10 USD

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This won't last; is a bitcoin at least as valuable as 10 USD for people who use BTC?

As long as its crypto primitives remain secure (SHA-256, Elliptic Curve crypto, RIPEMD), if the Bitcoin economy continues to grow 5x, 10x, 20x, etc, then its value should increase 5x, 10x, 20x, etc, because there is a fixed number of coins available. Both of these assumptions are likely. So I would say, yes, this exchange rate should last (of course there will be some bumps on the road, bubbles, crashes, etc).

The "market cap" is a hair under $100 million now. I don't see that it's current economy justifies that, it all looks like speculation to me.

I've got some bitcoin, a token amount I bought to have some, but I'm skeptical that it's anywhere near being an actual economy yet.

Re: 1 Bitcoin Worth 10 USD

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Commission-free electronic transactions with anyone in the world?

So it is free to convert from USD to Bitcoin and vice versa ? Because clearly I wouldn't want to hold anything in Bitcoin for a long period of time due to its instability.

There is a cost- liquidity and slippage are not accounted by most.
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