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US Ends Support For Ukrainian F-16s

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Re: US Ends Support For Ukrainian F-16s

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Post by sidibe »

blibble wrote: post #604
addicted wrote: post #578

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How can any reasonable national leader justify building their military on American systems anymore? Especially now that the U.S. government is also talking about not living up to its NATO obligations. This is not gonna hurt the rest of the world. Defense is where the U.S. exports a lot. So cutting back on U.S. weaponry will only help other nations. The same is true of Tech. Currently the tech industry is global, but…

risk of war going hot aside, the long term effect of this is fantastic for the rest of the world's industries AWS, GCP and Azure looked unbeatable a month ago but today, if you're a government official in the UK, Poland or Germany, would you be recommending AWS as your cloud provider? absolutely not they now have massive geopolitical risks associated with them due to being under the control of the increasingly unstab…

This has been slowly coming so now they are offering the entire data center stack to be operated by European companies in European owned datacenters

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Post by jpadkins »

tim333 wrote: post #434
devsda wrote: post #273

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Trump is an alien impersonator trying to destroy humanity from within to make it easier for the aliens to colonize earth" That is also a probable explanation for what's happening, if you believe in UFOs and aliens. Sorry, I mean no disrespect. As a non-american and non-westerner, it's absolutely wild to see what people are willing to believe when it comes to Trump. Surely, there's a more rational and simple explanat…

I don't really want to divert the thread to a lot of questionable Trump stuff but there is some evidence in that direction. See for example https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/11/19/trump-fir... https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jan/29/trump-russia... https://www.kyivpost.com/post/47630

Do you have sources that don't take funding from US Intel (USAID)?

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Post by Simon_O_Rourke »

If I was a defense minister in Western Europe right now I'd go looking at whatever the Dassault, Saab or other European based defense tech can provide. I'd also immediately halt any pilot training in the US. I can see shares in Raytheon, Lockheed, etc. taking losses in the next couple of quarters, I mean here we have a president that won't even spend money on its own defense tech for export, and is now actively shutting down that export market.

Re: US Ends Support For Ukrainian F-16s

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Post by azan_ »

ascorbic wrote: post #332
pacifika wrote: post #62

What’s the motivation, if the Russians have the strong cards in this upcoming peace negotiation the current administration feels the need to weaken the Ukrainian side equipment? Slice of the minerals?

Trump just wants the war to end. Ukraine doesn't want to surrender a chunk of its territory under bad terms, so they won't make a deal. Putin is more than happy to take a deal that means they win. Trump thinks that if he weakens Ukraine then they'll be more willing to take a bad deal. He also doesn't like Ukraine or Zelenskyy, so has no particular desire to do them a favour.

Ukraine already surrendered chunk of its territory few years ago. You think this time it will be different and Russia won't try to take Ukraine again once it rebuilds its military potential?

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Post by tim333 »

jopsen wrote: post #65

I'm not sure Denmark is going to cancel our F35 orders. From a security perspective, it's certainly in our interest to pretend this isn't a big deal. And that everything is normal. But I'm not surprised that our prime minister recently did not leave out the possiblity of hosting nukes on Danish territory. Given the theatre in the US one could even say we'll need nukes to defend Greenland.

I wonder if F35s will be like HP printers and refuse to start unless they phone home?

Re: US Ends Support For Ukrainian F-16s

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Post by 6SixTy »

ta988 wrote: post #228

And the story continues. This means that no country will want to buy F16s. If you don't get support they are useless. They are eroding really fast the US shine and trust in the world. This is going to have a massive effect on the US economy, internal consumption will not save it. This is the end of an empire while its rich kings are golfing every weekend on the taxpayer dime using federal and local resources. I am re…

Doesn't matter that countries doesn't want F16s, pretty much any US component inside these systems means that they require US approval for the whole thing. Saab Gripens use a Swedish built version of a US powerplant, which allowed the US to deny sales of the Gripen to Colombia.

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Post by terrabiped »

gip wrote: post #599
addicted wrote: post #578

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How can any reasonable national leader justify building their military on American systems anymore? Especially now that the U.S. government is also talking about not living up to its NATO obligations. This is not gonna hurt the rest of the world. Defense is where the U.S. exports a lot. So cutting back on U.S. weaponry will only help other nations. The same is true of Tech. Currently the tech industry is global, but…

Totally agree that Trump is trading long-term dominance for short-term gains. I think that in a few months, we will see the U.S. economy doing very well and somehow rebuilding its industrial base. In the long term, U.S. influence and wealth will make up a much smaller share of the world’s wealth than it does today.

So far we’ve only traded our long term dominance. I’m yet to see any short term gains or even prospects of those.

Unbelievable amount of damage done in just a month.

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Post by tim333 »

jameskilton wrote: post #40
k1kingy wrote: post #18

Donald Trump really should leave his fragile ego at the door and continue to support the USA's allies at this time. People forget that it was Zelensky refusing to lie which led to Trumps first impeachment. At the very least this entire 180 and the attempt to humiliate Zelensky in the White House is Trump wanting to enact some kind of revenge. At the very worst him praising Putin, threatening to leave Nato, threatenin…

Trump doesn't care about anyone but himself. The only reason he ran for president again (a job he absolutely hated the first time around) was so he would stay out of jail for the myriad of crimes he committed. Now that he actually got reelected (us Americans can be incredibly dumb) he's doing everything he can to punish everyone he deems was "out to get him". Also he adores Putin and Xi and is doing what he can to be…

>There's no conspiracy, Trump really is that much of a child.

[citation needed]

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Post by netsharc »

tehjoker wrote: post #428

My suspicion is Trump is putting pressure on Zelensky (a) because he hates him personally and (b) because he wants an even bigger mineral rights deal. The thinking being, let Zelensky stew in it without U.S. help and suffer some humiliating defeats and let him come crawling back to the table so that he can sell of the majority of his country to the Americans, far more than the Russians will ever get.

It's 2 assholes friendly with each other sharing the spoils of war: Putin gives Trump the opportunity to brag about bringing $500B to the US/maybe it'll be today's Halliburton that'll get the mining rights, for a donation to the new Trump Mansion, and Putin gets everything else.
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