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Age Verification Laws: A Backdoor to Surveillance

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Re: Age Verification Laws: A Backdoor to Surveillance

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post #268

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You're kidding, right? It's literally a pornography trope.

It's a manga/hentai trope. Pornography has latched onto it but it's not pornographic in nature. You really need to know the context to know it's meant in an erotic way, otherwise it's just a contorted face.

Re: Age Verification Laws: A Backdoor to Surveillance

#432
post #327

most of the ''protect the kids!'' rhetoric originates from the government who want to use it as a smoke screen to push authoritarian surveillance laws.

"Most"?? Where's the stuff that isn't a smoke screen?

I tried really hard to find an example. I could not find one.

Re: Age Verification Laws: A Backdoor to Surveillance

#433
post #367

The internet should be free, open and uncensored. Parents should then have the obligation of looking after their children. Yes, that means not buying a smartphone and give it to your 3 year old. I think, slowly, the world is starting to realize this.

The age you picked here makes your argument obviously right. But what age _should_ people get a phone and be able to use it unsupervised? I don’t think it’s reasonable that it be 21 or 18, even 16 feels quite puritanical.

It is why I am happy to be child free.

I am someone who would probably not own a smart phone if it wasn't such a pain to not have one.

I can see with the kids in my extended family how even by 12, not having a smart phone is going to damage your social life. It was awkward enough for me at that age with rotary phones. I couldn't do that to my kid if I had one.

We have put ourselves in a really bad spot. Even if a parent wants to do what is best for the kid, I have no idea what that is. To pretend there is some simple and obvious answer here is completely divorced from reality.

Re: Age Verification Laws: A Backdoor to Surveillance

#434

Preventing kids from being exploited online is a damn good thing , whether its porn companies, Facebook, or CSAM PDFs doing the exploiting. Maybe we can even protect adults from being exploited online one of these days too (obviously not in the current US administration, but some day).

The problem is that you're blaming the wrong targets. The porn companies aren't interested in kids, they don't have much money or ways to spend it on their content.

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Re: Age Verification Laws: A Backdoor to Surveillance

#435
post #71

The Internet should be Unrated and thus Adults Only by default. Just like public spaces. (Would you allow an 8 year old to wander New York City unattended? Arguments can be made for more controlled spaces but...) Have a website and want the chance for kids to see it? Advertise in the headers that it's moderated and intended to be a given rating. Various indexers can pick that up. Complaints can be forward to relevant…

> Would you allow an 8 year old to wander New York City unattended?

This is common in Japan.

Re: Age Verification Laws: A Backdoor to Surveillance

#436
post #311

What if all the porn, adult, crypto, gambling, etc. content was in a separate part of Internet? Like a red lights district. Or at least be easily blocked (but with laws requiring them to help blocklists or IP/domain). In meatspace there are rules of how close those can be from schools and churches (of any denomination).

Finally a use for ipv6!

Re: Age Verification Laws: A Backdoor to Surveillance

#437

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're kidding, right? It's literally a pornography trope.

It's a manga/hentai trope. Pornography has latched onto it but it's not pornographic in nature. You really need to know the context to know it's meant in an erotic way, otherwise it's just a contorted face.

You know what hentai is, right?

Re: Age Verification Laws: A Backdoor to Surveillance

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post #376

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Yes, parental responsibility is perhaps the most critical component of kid safety. However, I know of no children who independently acquired and maintain a device with a connection to the internet. Are you entirely sure we need a governmental edict to allow parents to monitor and influence what their kids see and do online? Should law enforcement be able to access messages sent to my kid? I'm going to have to say no…

It's not a matter of should government be allowed to protect kids. They already do, that's not the discussion. In the same way that parents can control what kids do with their devices, so can governments and they do, all the time. Through regulation they control what software companies like Google or Apple approve for kids, and they can control or subpoena data from kid apps. >Should law enforcement be able to access…

> It's not a matter of should government be allowed to protect kids. They already do, that's not the discussion.

The discussion is about what the government should be allowed to do to protect kids.

> >Should law enforcement be able to access messages sent to my kid? I'm going to have to say no to this one.

> 100% should, and 100% does, you are misinformed on what is and what should be. Thankfully you are not in charge of this decisions.

Every major messaging platform is E2EE by default.

Re: Age Verification Laws: A Backdoor to Surveillance

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post #109
post #81

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https://www.eff.org/press/releases/eff-sues-opm-doge-and-mus... ?

EFF's legal side is... not as insane, I guess. And there are some sound minds surely there still. But I repeat: the data privacy dystopia is upon us, and what is EFF pushing for clicks and eyeballs? "Big Tech Bad". "Big Tech Bad" is precisely the kind of poorly-grounded outrage farm used to bring DOGE to power in the first place. Voters trying to bring their perceived enemies to heel are the actual threat! And EFF is…

> In the coming years we will remember fondly when our personal data lived in secure and well-managed centers run by Meta and Google and Amazon and not on some DOGE staffers' Macbook.

Seems odd to assume that the US government didn't have access to that data prior to the current administration.

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