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US Ends Support For Ukrainian F-16s

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Re: US Ends Support For Ukrainian F-16s

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Post by Bluestrike2 »

mrweasel wrote: post #144
eunos wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Especially F-35 where lack of American support means total brick. Hey, at least Ukraine can use their S-300 systems and Sukhois against their maker.

While I doubt that it solves all the issue, subcontractors, imported parts and so on, but the Italian F-35s are build be Leonardo in Cameri in Italy. How long would it take BAE, SAAB or Leonardo to un-brick an F-35? Again, not ideal, but the first F-35 have been delivered an need to be serviced and maintained until they can be replaced,... or maybe just until the next US election.

I'd expect the original agreements that were put in place--both the ones with the subcontractors as well as the purchase agreements--are quite strict on what you can do with the plane. Trying to reverse engineer software (the policy was that no one gets access to the original source code for the F-35[0], at least back in 2009) is probably a no-go under those agreements.

The original article suggests that Ukraine may end up having to replace the electronic countermeasures hardware to get around this in the future, so I'd expect any attempts to "un-brick"/work around the lack of support will eventually be along those lines, even if it results in some performance degradation.

No matter how they approach this, it's going to be a horrifically difficult and expensive task.

0. https://www.reuters.com/article/world/exclusive-us-to-withho...

Re: US Ends Support For Ukrainian F-16s

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Post by ceejayoz »

Gollapalli wrote: post #168

There’s a good reason for people to flag these posts. It seems like most folks in the comment section didn’t even read TFA. Per TFA, this impacts F-16s NOT F-35s Per TFA, the US is not actively “turning off” any piece of equipment, they are no longer providing updates (something with which we are all familiar. Per TFA, this means that the US is no longer providing active support in a country-vs-country battle of elec…

> Per TFA, this impacts F-16s NOT F-35s

But this should absolutely worry F-35 operators.

Re: US Ends Support For Ukrainian F-16s

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Post by fosk »

postingawayonhn wrote: post #66
sras-me wrote: post #50

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NATO has never been a threat to Russia. Under what scenario are all the governments of NATO countries convinced to attack Russia? Also Finland just joined and Russia barley registered a complaint.

Without going into the merits of this war, NATO - which was supposedly a defensive alliance - did indeed attack Kosovo in an offensive.

So NATO has demonstrated they can be whatever they want when the right time comes. NATO intervention in Kosovo to “liberate it” is also being used to morally justify Russian’s invasion of eastern Ukraine, since from a Russian standpoint it’s exactly the same scenario and they are “liberating” the Russian population in those Ukrainian territories.

Re: US Ends Support For Ukrainian F-16s

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Post by apwell23 »

rich_sasha wrote: post #3

Right now every buyer of American kit is feverishly evaluating non-US alternatives. Seriously, America, this is like Brexit but 1000x. A voluntary decision, taken with gusto, to chop off arms and legs and ears and fingers and whatnot, cut off the deadwood, be light and free, a lone vessel on the ocean of prosperity, free of the burden of the stupid foreigners who are the sole reason why everything was going wrong.

> Right now every buyer of American kit is feverishly evaluating non-US alternatives.

they are doing what they should've been doing this whole time?

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Post by mistrial9 »

Cyan488 wrote: post #48
bboygravity wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Since when was the US in the European Union or even near Europe? How is it like Brexit in the slightest? Why is it the US's responsibility to finance and organize the majority of EU's defense? PS: I'm from and in Europe. I don't get why it is a good or logical thing that the US should be responsible for the majority of "Western" defense on our territory.

Without much background in the politics, the parallel I see is this: Group A and Group B build an economic partnership under consensual terms generally favourable to both over a long period of time. At one point, Group A decides to withdraw due to real or perceived inequality. The timeframe of withdrawal is faster than entering, and is insufficient to unearth the complex network of roots that took generations to plan…

comparing war-mongering to a living tree is especially ugly language. Wolf-packs pissing on trees, more like it

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Post by pokstad »

TrackerFF wrote: post #135

Who would have thought that the POTUS would be the person to kick foreign arms industries into sixth gear?

Well he’s been very vocal about NATO countries increasing their defense contributions. That doesn’t necessarily mean that the US needs to sell all the weapons.

Re: US Ends Support For Ukrainian F-16s

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Post by 2OEH8eoCRo0 »

RobotToaster wrote: post #188
rich_sasha wrote: post #3

Right now every buyer of American kit is feverishly evaluating non-US alternatives. Seriously, America, this is like Brexit but 1000x. A voluntary decision, taken with gusto, to chop off arms and legs and ears and fingers and whatnot, cut off the deadwood, be light and free, a lone vessel on the ocean of prosperity, free of the burden of the stupid foreigners who are the sole reason why everything was going wrong.

"It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal." - Henry Kissinger

Post the rest of the quote. If I recall he was warning against alienating an ally. He didn't want the quote to become true.

Re: US Ends Support For Ukrainian F-16s

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Post by gotts »

ryao wrote: post #174

What stops the Russians from reprogramming their radars to switch to a different frequency every 5 minutes as specified by a CSPRNG? It seems like it would make the manual reprogramming of jammers pointless.

These systems are much more advanced than how you perceive them.

Re: US Ends Support For Ukrainian F-16s

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Post by 0xy »

wyldfire wrote: post #190
rich_sasha wrote: post #3

Right now every buyer of American kit is feverishly evaluating non-US alternatives. Seriously, America, this is like Brexit but 1000x. A voluntary decision, taken with gusto, to chop off arms and legs and ears and fingers and whatnot, cut off the deadwood, be light and free, a lone vessel on the ocean of prosperity, free of the burden of the stupid foreigners who are the sole reason why everything was going wrong.

The agenda that Trump advanced during campaigns was not "cut ourselves off from the rest of the world". Do his supporters really want this? What's the rationale he advances for this stance and the tarrifs? What would a president who was beholden to Russians do once elected? I mean -- what's the point of provoking Canada, of all countries? Canada as the 51st US state would be the new most populous state and would caus…

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Re: US Ends Support For Ukrainian F-16s

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Post by jisnsm »

wyldfire wrote: post #190
rich_sasha wrote: post #3

Right now every buyer of American kit is feverishly evaluating non-US alternatives. Seriously, America, this is like Brexit but 1000x. A voluntary decision, taken with gusto, to chop off arms and legs and ears and fingers and whatnot, cut off the deadwood, be light and free, a lone vessel on the ocean of prosperity, free of the burden of the stupid foreigners who are the sole reason why everything was going wrong.

The agenda that Trump advanced during campaigns was not "cut ourselves off from the rest of the world". Do his supporters really want this? What's the rationale he advances for this stance and the tarrifs? What would a president who was beholden to Russians do once elected? I mean -- what's the point of provoking Canada, of all countries? Canada as the 51st US state would be the new most populous state and would caus…

The agenda was to leave Ukraine and to have Europe pay for its own defence which is what’s happening here. Nothing more, nothing less. Don’t let yourself get manipulated by Reddit-tier arguments.
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