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Kagi Is Bringing Orion Web Browser to Linux

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Re: Kagi Is Bringing Orion Web Browser to Linux

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Post by konart »

CGamesPlay wrote: post #88
konart wrote: post #33

Kagi is still buggy as hell for me though. Text selection jumps all around even on hacker news (I say even because HN is pretty has pretty simple html\css\etc). Any web site with non-english letters and complex layot kills it.

I assume you mean Orion. Does that still happen if you enable compatibility mode? I don't have the same problem, but I've reported several problems on the feedback forum and had some luck with getting them resolved.

Ooopsie. Yes, I was talking about the browser. I'll read about compatibility mode, but I'm not sure why would I need to enable something like this on an WebKit browser on MacOs while Safari is doing great.

Re: Kagi Is Bringing Orion Web Browser to Linux

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Post by Dylan16807 »

dcow wrote: post #166
Dylan16807 wrote: post #164

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I find it hard to believe that Google just happens to be the default search engine everywhere. I didn't say there wasn't collusion of any kind. I said Google being the default on android is not collusion with browser vendors . And on Windows, Bing is the default. > And if you visit the internet’s home page on anything other than Chrome you get bombarded with popups compelling you to install Chrome. Self-promotion i…

The point is there are non-trivial examples where it’s really hard to switch your default search engine away from Google/Bing because all paths lead back to them (via platform self-promotion and paid placement). One might even argue that the dominant search engine owning the dominant user-agent is implicitly illegal (and thus I guess collusive, but I digress). I don’t really know what we’re arguing anymore. I think e…

> The point is there are non-trivial examples where it’s really hard to switch your default search engine away from Google/Bing

Bing is the only one you really get stuck with, and that only happens outside of the browser. You can change the search engine for searches started inside of Edge.

Bing is also not an example of collusion. It's Microsoft promoting Microsoft.

> I don’t really know what we’re arguing anymore.

Here is what I'm arguing: If you want to say there is a mixture of different types of collusion and monopolistic self-pushing connected to search engines, I agree with you. But the claim earlier was about a very specific type of [deep] collusion, that would make it difficult to change the search engine that a browser uses, that is easy to see when trying to use Kagi. But that difficulty only exists on iOS. It's not true in general. (And I'm not convinced that the specific issue on iOS is a collusion problem rather than an Apple-knows-best problem.)

Re: Kagi Is Bringing Orion Web Browser to Linux

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Post by ericrallen »

treesknees wrote: post #114
chias wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is something I don't understand. Kagi has been my only search engine since they dropped the price to $10/mo. I've only ever used Kagi with Firefox, and I use it on Linux, Windows, and Mac. I just add it to my search engines and set it as default, which takes about 15 seconds. Everything seems to just work seamlessly. Searching in private windows works without any configuration or token juggling. I have never tri…

To set it as your default search engine on iOS, you need to first install a separate Kagi Search app from the App Store, enable the extension, and then dig through some fairly obscure Safari settings so that the Kagi app can run with enough permissions to intercept/redirect search URLs for other search engines. So now when I search in Safari, the browser says “DuckDuckGo Search” but when I hit return Kagi jumps in. I…

Just as a heads up, the Firefox iOS app makes it super easy to set Kagi to your default search engine.

I think it might have even just sync’d over from my desktop settings? I never even thought about it, it just worked.

Re: Kagi Is Bringing Orion Web Browser to Linux

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Post by CodeCompost »

esafak wrote: post #141
CodeCompost wrote: post #42

Kagi is cool and all but... I'm in Europe. I'm busy disengaging from US based services. Any good EU alternatives?

Its founder is from Yugoslavia, so it is European in a sense. https://vladimir.prelovac.com/

It's about jurisdiction. You can claim to be privacy friendly but if the laws in the country your services are being offered from can legally demand you break it...

Re: Kagi Is Bringing Orion Web Browser to Linux

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Post by fnordsensei »

bodash wrote: post #133
james_pm wrote: post #17

Orion for macOS is still pretty buggy and, in my experience, a bit too frustrating to use as my default browser. I want to use it and pay the $5/month even though I don't use it all the time. It's close to being good, but not quite there yet.

Orion on YouTube is unusable at the moment. Click play, ad plays 1 second, disappears but then nothing else plays. Click again, another ad briefly appears and disappears. Have to resort back to Firefox with uBlock Origin just to watch YouTube

Yeah, seeing this one too. Is it an Orion or Safari thing though?

Re: Kagi Is Bringing Orion Web Browser to Linux

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Post by Pooge »

9283409232 wrote: post #147
berdario wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

it seems he also overlooked, in his tirade against EU VAT, that almost the whole world has VAT. It's just an handful of countries like USA and Malaysia that are the weird ones, and don't implement a VAT tax

VAT is a reductive tax that taxes the poor instead of the rich. Coincidentally, Trump supports adding VAT to the US.

Please call me out if I'm just being delusional but I think VAT is a great way to tax rich people.

They already have a lot of ways to avoid taxes, but at least with VAT they pay the same as everybody else. They are going to buy expensive food or drinks at restaurants and 8% (in my country) of that is going to be taxed. Someone more modest is going to eat at a less expensive place and is going to pay 8% on something less expensive.

I'm aware of the luxury tax but I don't think it's better than the VAT tax.

Re: Kagi Is Bringing Orion Web Browser to Linux

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Post by alpaca128 »

james_pm wrote: post #17

Orion for macOS is still pretty buggy and, in my experience, a bit too frustrating to use as my default browser. I want to use it and pay the $5/month even though I don't use it all the time. It's close to being good, but not quite there yet.

I recently tried it on iPad and unfortunately it feels mostly like a slightly less intuitive Safari with some touch gestures missing, and missed opportunity to fix one of them (swiping right to go back doesn’t work while the sidebar is open). Once I got Kagi search to work in Safari there was no reason to use Orion.
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