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We've done it twice. Many terminals run under electron or equivalent browser interfaces. So we've implemented TUI in the GUI as well!
That’s also applies to literally every terminal emulator written since xterm. Most of the modern terms these days have GPU acceleration too.
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That’s also applies to literally every terminal emulator written since xterm. Most of the modern terms these days have GPU acceleration too.
No. This isn’t true. Most terminals are native. They don’t run under a browser engine.
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I used DESQview for a number of years, and always think about it when see new TUI systems https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/DESQview
I tried to use desqview but it was too slow on my 386 33mhz machine… not sure how much RAM it had back then but I recall it was the bottleneck and swapping to disk caused everything to lag.
DESQview did not do any memory management of its own, and it did not use graphics. It was entirely local and had no networking. It was famously fast. It was a DOS multitasker so it managed DOS tasks, meaning multiple slots of 640kB. On a 386 with 4MB of RAM you could have 6 full-size DOS VMs with a bit left over.
If you were a power user you could still have say a big 1-2-3 spreadsheet in EMS plus a few DOS VMs.
DESQview delegated memory management to QEMM386, and QEMM386 did not do swapping. It didn't need to.
DESQview/X was a totally different product, with a full GUI, so much bigger and slower -- and it added an optional extension that added full virtual memory with swapping to disk.
I am wondering if you are mixing up DESQview (small, fast, local) with DV/x (big, complicated, networked, had optional VM)?
Or indeed DV/x with something else altogether? OS/2 maybe?
Because if it was swapping, it wasn't DESQview, not in any normal sane config anyway. It might be possible to add DV/x VM to plain old DESQview but I never heard of anyone doing that.
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#64There was something similar a few years ago which ran over an ssh connection and had a zoomable ui of sorts. I can't find the link -- does this ring a bell anywhere?
ssh vtm@netxs.online
That domain is dead now
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#65There was something similar a few years ago which ran over an ssh connection and had a zoomable ui of sorts. I can't find the link -- does this ring a bell anywhere?
It was this very tool. It could be sshed into with ssh vtm@netxs.online That domain is dead now
When I said "zooming" I was thinking of the white tethers attached to each window which would pull them back into a centre bundle. You can see what I mean here: https://changelog.com/news/a-textbased-desktop-environment-i... at the bottom left, the lines going off to a single point.
actually, by zooming out, I can still see the tethers on the windows. The ssh version was quite mind-blowing back when...
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#66has anyone tried building it from source?
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It was this very tool. It could be sshed into with ssh vtm@netxs.online That domain is dead now
Hooray, thank you! When I said "zooming" I was thinking of the white tethers attached to each window which would pull them back into a centre bundle. You can see what I mean here: https://changelog.com/news/a-textbased-desktop-environment-i... at the bottom left, the lines going off to a single point. actually, by zooming out, I can still see the tethers on the windows. The ssh version was quite mind-blowing back whe…
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#68I know I’m missing the obvious here, but is this a terminal multiplexer (like tmux)? Or a tiling terminal emulator (like iTerm, et al)?
The Youtube video embedded on their Github is titled "Tiling Window Manager with Drag&Drop" and from watching it, that appears to be exactly what this is. I don't know if or why it artificially constrains itself to only opening terminals.
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#69We've come full circle. We invented a GUI to replace the TUI, then reimplemented the GUI in the TUI. Long live the terminal!
We've done it twice. Many terminals run under electron or equivalent browser interfaces. So we've implemented TUI in the GUI as well!