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Age Verification Laws: A Backdoor to Surveillance

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Re: Age Verification Laws: A Backdoor to Surveillance

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Quick correction: everything contains chemicals.

correct that's why everything in california, including the air in parking garages, is labeled with P65

What percentage of people do you think know that the air inside of a parking garage is carcinogenic?

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Who could have predicted this, though? If only there were some, no, any benevolent corporate deity poised to provide trusted global identity services for an event exactly like this. If only this hadn't come out of the blue, maybe there'd be someone out there, right now, who could make it so that your identity traveled with you everywhere across the internet, an authentic digital fingerprint and passport so invisible…

Google should be able to say that I've had continuous access to my Gmail account since 2005 and therefore it's impossible for me to be under 18. Or 21.

Right?

All of a sudden, the internet is incapable of tracking me with that much fidelity. They don't know how old I am. Discord knows how old I am. I never told them my birthday.

This gets a big "hrrrrrrr. Durrrrrrr." From me.

Re: Age Verification Laws: A Backdoor to Surveillance

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post #131

I wonder if there's any chance of technology like Verifiable Credentials[0] getting any adoption because of these laws. I think there are legitimate use cases where you would want to say, "hey, some third-party authority can vouch for me that ____", and not reveal to the third party who's asking for verification and not reveal to the party requiring verification any other claim besides the specific one that they need…

What's insane is that, in France, we have France Connect, which is exactly what you describe: a third-party authentication platform maintained by the government.

Lately, a new law just passed to force porn websites to check the age of visitors. I would have been fine with an authentication going through France Connect:

- the gov knows which website you went to, just like your DNS provider would, but it doesn't which content - and the website knows which content you've watched but not who's watching.

Best of both worlds!

But no, we have to send a copy of our ID card to the website, which is INSANE because the website knows WHO you are and WHAT you're watching.

Re: Age Verification Laws: A Backdoor to Surveillance

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post #3

age verification should be backed into the browser and not into websites. parents should be able to access a (password protected) setting in any browser that can exclude some types of websites (like porn). governments should be free to go after any website not respecting that setting. but forcing the age-verification onto websites is just moronic.

And who decides what browsers are okay? Is it Apple and Google?

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> California’s AB-728 mandates age verification for anyone purchasing skin care products or cosmetics that contain certain chemicals like Vitamin A or alpha hydroxy acids. On the surface, this may seem harmless—who doesn't want to ensure that minors are safe from harmful chemicals? Why would we want to keep minors safe from "harmful chemicals" but not adults? If skin cream products with Vitamin A or alpha hydroxy aci…

Everything is harmful in the wrong dosage

Re: Age Verification Laws: A Backdoor to Surveillance

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post #90

"no method of age verification is both privacy-protective and entirely accurate." No method of age verification is entirely actuate. It seem a hardline stance that we can't think up a process that would allow for a reasonable level of accuracy with privacy. It could literally be drawing a usb token from a bucket full of them after a human at the DMV visually checks your license.

That's cool. Do you think they'll mind if I surreptitiously put a couple of thumb drives of my own into the bucket?

Re: Age Verification Laws: A Backdoor to Surveillance

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post #71

The Internet should be Unrated and thus Adults Only by default. Just like public spaces. (Would you allow an 8 year old to wander New York City unattended? Arguments can be made for more controlled spaces but...) Have a website and want the chance for kids to see it? Advertise in the headers that it's moderated and intended to be a given rating. Various indexers can pick that up. Complaints can be forward to relevant…

You just described why American cities are horrible.

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Am I missing something here? Entirely possible and likely. When I go to pornhub I have to click a button that days I’m 18. Some other sites I’ve seen actually make me enter a birthdate. Slightly more annoying but I always make one up. Is this what people are upset about? I get actual age verification with an account required or checking my ID is more invasive..but I guess I’ve not experienced this as an actual proble…

Find a VPN with an exit in Texas, Louisiana, or Utah, to name three off the top of my head.

Louisiana, AFAIK Does not require age verification, but all of our traffic goes to Dallas, so we get lumped in with Texas.

Re: Age Verification Laws: A Backdoor to Surveillance

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

your confusion is understandable, because "age verification" can mean anything from "check the box that says you're 18" to "upload a picture of the front and back of your driver's license". > When I go to pornhub I have to click a button that days I’m 18. if you were in Texas, it'd be not reachable at all [0]. this is due to a bill [1] that would have required Pornhub to use the more intrusive age-verification option…

That fine applies if they don't have a system at all, not for scenarios like you posted.

And who decides if the solution is, you know, appropriate and all that's required and not just half-assing it? Is it something where they would have to get fined $250,000 and then go fight it in court?
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