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Age Verification Laws: A Backdoor to Surveillance

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Re: Age Verification Laws: A Backdoor to Surveillance

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California does keep adults safe from chemicals already - there's special Prop 65 labels you have to put on things in California if they contain chemicals.

Quick correction: everything contains chemicals.

correct that's why everything in california, including the air in parking garages, is labeled with P65

Re: Age Verification Laws: A Backdoor to Surveillance

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post #158

It does sounds like that the author is not aware of existence of zero knowledge range proofs for identity based authetification (anonymous credentials). In essence they work as follows: a third party vouches a commitment for your birth year into a commitment with a signature. This then can be used for to be shown to a service provider along with a range proof to ensure that the age limit gets respected. That way serv…

How does that third party know my birth year? And the precision of one year is way too low.

I don't know about the specific systems he is thinking of but I think the general approach is to use a third party that already knows that.

Re: Age Verification Laws: A Backdoor to Surveillance

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post #188

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This is not reasonable. That doesnt make him prejudiced. He just likes bananas and doesnt like natto. I dont want to see morbidly obese people naked either, its gross to me.

>That doesnt make him prejudiced It is literally the dictionary definition of prejudice. From Merriam-Webster[1]: >1. b (1) - an adverse opinion or leaning formed without just grounds or before sufficient knowledge They directly said "two dudes kissing... feels wrong to me but when I try to come up with an explanation I have none." That is an "adverse opinion" they immediately admit to holding "without just grounds".…

Which provides the nexus, are we being prejudiced when we arrest the couple banging on a park hill in view of public? Or is there actually some deteriorated outcome from that other than it don't seem right.

Re: Age Verification Laws: A Backdoor to Surveillance

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It does sounds like that the author is not aware of existence of zero knowledge range proofs for identity based authetification (anonymous credentials). In essence they work as follows: a third party vouches a commitment for your birth year into a commitment with a signature. This then can be used for to be shown to a service provider along with a range proof to ensure that the age limit gets respected. That way serv…

> a third party vouches If the only porn requires this, then the third party has a record of every single person who wants to view porn.

The third party vouches commitments with their year of birth for all individuals. The secret opening can be distributed to citizens with their identity card. Also multiple properties can be signed at the same time like location coordinates that can be used for other purposes and hence not making vouching exclusive to age verification.

Re: Age Verification Laws: A Backdoor to Surveillance

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post #146

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No, there isn't. Almost all porn that is accessible to children is on freely available social media like instagram and twitter. Not on Pornhub.

Are you saying kids don't go to pornhub?

No I'm not.

Re: Age Verification Laws: A Backdoor to Surveillance

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Quick correction: everything contains chemicals.

correct that's why everything in california, including the air in parking garages, is labeled with P65

You know what, when I spent a summer there I do remember it being hilarious how many things had warnings.

Re: Age Verification Laws: A Backdoor to Surveillance

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Almost no discussion matters as long as Google Analytics/fonts is embedded in almost every website you visit. EFF is looking at individual grains of sand on a beach of surveillance.

Pornhub publishes insights on their blog where they include an age/gender/country breakdown of their viewers. That data must come from somewhere, likely google analytics or something like it, which means that there is a thriving surveillance market whether there is age verification or not.

The surveillance is already happening, there isn't any need to backdoor it because it's already there.

People think google is a search company, but it's not. People think Facebook is a social media company, but it's not.

They are privatized intelligence companies, intelligence as in the I in CIA. And rather than that intelligence being used to, said charitably, make America a safer place, that intelligence is being leveraged to make rich people richer and less regulated.

Not enough of a spotlight is on privatized intelligence functions. It's no wonder it feels like corporations have more power than the government, they have access to mini privatized CIAs, with arguably much less oversight.

Re: Age Verification Laws: A Backdoor to Surveillance

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Quick correction: everything contains chemicals.

correct that's why everything in california, including the air in parking garages, is labeled with P65

I saw a P65 warning on a car.

Re: Age Verification Laws: A Backdoor to Surveillance

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post #71

The Internet should be Unrated and thus Adults Only by default. Just like public spaces. (Would you allow an 8 year old to wander New York City unattended? Arguments can be made for more controlled spaces but...) Have a website and want the chance for kids to see it? Advertise in the headers that it's moderated and intended to be a given rating. Various indexers can pick that up. Complaints can be forward to relevant…

> The Internet should be Unrated and thus Adults Only by default. Just like public spaces. This is exactly the opposite of the way public spaces actually work, and the way that public spaces actually work is the very justification for laws like this in the first place! You've just taken their exact rationale and imagined a world that would lead that metaphor to the opposite conclusion. In most of the real-life US, yo…

The problem with the internet is the mixing of different contexts. You can have cute cats, disney fandom, hobbies, politics, porn, extremism all on the same platform. In the real world you don't have strip clubs at disney world or children wandering about in a bar.

Re: Age Verification Laws: A Backdoor to Surveillance

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Almost no discussion matters as long as Google Analytics/fonts is embedded in almost every website you visit. EFF is looking at individual grains of sand on a beach of surveillance. Pornhub publishes insights on their blog where they include an age/gender/country breakdown of their viewers. That data must come from somewhere, likely google analytics or something like it, which means that there is a thriving surveilla…

> Pornhub publishes insights on their blog where they include an age/gender/country breakdown of their viewers. That data must come from somewhere, likely google analytics or something like it, which means that there is a thriving surveillance market whether there is age verification or not.

Data brokers. But that data isn't exactly accurate. Relatively over the large population yes. Accurate for identifying indivdual users: no.

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