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Ask HN: Do your eyes bug you even though your prescription is "correct"?

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Re: Ask HN: Do your eyes bug you even though your prescription is "correct"?

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post #71

The solution for me to eliminate headaches when working at computer screens was getting an extra set of intermediate distance glasses specifically for computer work. The "computer screen distance" of 3 ft is in between book-reading distance of 1 feet and driving distance 20'+ feet. I also avoid progressive lenses or high-index lenses for computer work. I commented about how arrived at this solution previously: https:…

> I also avoid […] high-index lenses for computer work.

Yes! You're the first to mention this.

It's not refractive index itself that's the problem, it's dispersion (roughly, the degree to which refractive index varies across the visual spectrum, described by ‘Abbe number’). We've all seen pictures of a prism splitting a beam of white light into a rainbow — for visual purposes, the less split the better.

Higher-index materials tend to have poorer dispersion, but especially in the mid-range 1.6ish, there are wide variations in quality at the same index. Glass tends to be best, if your prescription is light enough that you can handle the weight. Polycarbonate and acrylic are awful. MR-8 is in the middle, and what I've settled on for recent computer glasses.

Re: Ask HN: Do your eyes bug you even though your prescription is "correct"?

#102

If you're over 40 and have been wearing glasses for years, you might now need a pair with a weaker prescription just for computer use.

Not OP, but would like to try it. How much weaker? And should I weaken the cylinder strength as well?

Re: Ask HN: Do your eyes bug you even though your prescription is "correct"?

#103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Honestly, I'm absolutely terrified of doing anything that might damage my eyesight. I know the common procedures (i.e. Lasik) have come a long way in the last two decades and are very low risk, but they are not zero risk. I won't even wear contact lenses, I long ago fully committed to glasses. That type of procedure doesn't fit my risk tolerance.

I understand the hesitation, but that's the thing about this: It's even simpler than cataract surgery (where they actually _replace_ your own lenses instead of just flopping one in front of it), which is very very common, and very very safe. See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_cataract_surgery IIRC the chance of complications for Lasik is about 10x that of the one for intraocular lens implantation. The natu…

I perpetually rub/touch my eyes. My big fear around these surgeries is weakening a structure such that damage is more likely.

Re: Ask HN: Do your eyes bug you even though your prescription is "correct"?

#104
post #71

The solution for me to eliminate headaches when working at computer screens was getting an extra set of intermediate distance glasses specifically for computer work. The "computer screen distance" of 3 ft is in between book-reading distance of 1 feet and driving distance 20'+ feet. I also avoid progressive lenses or high-index lenses for computer work. I commented about how arrived at this solution previously: https:…

This worked for me as well. I just asked the eye doctor for something that would work just past my out stretched finger tips which is where my monitor lives.

What kills me is going into the office where I am switching between glasses. Different rooms with different Zoom screens. At home is much nicer where I just have one big monitor to watch.

I take my glasses off to read my phone most of the time. Technically my primary glasses are progressives but it is nicer to take them off.

Re: Ask HN: Do your eyes bug you even though your prescription is "correct"?

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The longer i stay up the blurrier my vision gets, and no pair of glasses completely corrects my vision. i was 25/20 or better in each eye until a couple of years ago, i scratched my left lens somehow and i got wicked poked in the eye by my kid in the right eye, into the socket. I can drive without glasses, but i can't read the sideroad signs on the 8' poles very well. I originally got my prescription with an Eye-Q de…

> my biggest issue with the way prescriptions are decided is the "this one, or this one" and they both look equally crappy, and they say "which looks less crappy" and i just pick randomly, because they're both awful. and then it continues, where it's just blurry from there on out.

I had an eye opening (ha) experience once I got pretty deep into 200/300/600 yard high power rifle. I was trying to debug an issue with my 600 yard shots clustering in three places - one cluster right in the middle, another cluster directly left, and a third cluster somewhere else

You set up these camera thingies (https://scattusa.com/) and it shows you an exact trace of what's going on with your aiming, while not using any ammo (recoil hides a lot so you do most practice without ammo).

The left cluster ended up being super obvious: trigger control and problems relaxing, making me physically jump shots over there - you could see lines from the Scatt go right after shot breaks.

The other cluster though was strange as hell. It was just not in the right spot. But it was a singular spot, I had two remaining clusters. There was no movement between middle and other cluster like there was with the left. It just looked like some percentage of the time I aimed at the wrong spot (not that far off, but enough to drop points).

Then one day when lying on the ground for an hour with the Scatt, I started seeing double. I'd blink and it would go away, but by relaxing a lot I could make it go back. The double vision was right where the cluster was.

Then I looked up more info on astigmatism (had >2 diopter astigmatism?), and it turns out it's literally just light refracting into 2+ places instead of 1. And of course the real bullseye people know about this (since in high power honestly we're kinda pretending at it), and they have specialized sights for correcting the axis and magnitude of astigmatism:

https://gehmann.com/en/579-Cylindrical-lens-system-0-2-Spher...

And sure enough, that's like the same thing the optometrist is doing. Except in the context of bullseye you can physically see the 2 bullseyes floating around an axis and then coming together.

I get why they do it the way they do it, because your brain corrects the astigmatism and doesn't let you see double normally, but if you can train your eye/brain to kinda dissociate and see double, you can get a pretty exact correction for astigmatism.

Then I got LASIK and my 600 yard scores went from high 170s/ low 180s to like 195+. Lol.

Re: Ask HN: Do your eyes bug you even though your prescription is "correct"?

#106
Some people, including me, have what's commonly called ‘astigmatic halation’ — although it's often not due to simple astigmatism, but rather ‘higher order abberrations’‡ which aren't correctable by glasses.

For this case, dark text on a light background is much better than light on dark. Dark on light, the light halation blends more or less evenly over the dark letter stems, resulting is slightly lower overall contrast but sharp lines. Light on dark, it's Las Vegas in the rain.

https://www.allaboutvision.com/conditions/aberrations/

Re: Ask HN: Do your eyes bug you even though your prescription is "correct"?

#107

If you're over 40 and have been wearing glasses for years, you might now need a pair with a weaker prescription just for computer use.

Not OP, but would like to try it. How much weaker? And should I weaken the cylinder strength as well?

Don't trust random strangers on the internet!

You should ask a qualified or licensed optometrist or optician or whatever it's called wherever you live.

AIUI:

- you don't adjust CYL

- The amount you add is roughly 0.75, plus an extra 0.05 for each year above 40yo.

For example, at age 50:

Add = 0.75 + 0.05 × (50 − 40) = 0.75 + 0.5 = 1.25

So let's say that this person's regular glasses are -3.25 in each eye. Their computer glasses would be -2.00 in each eye.

Don't trust random strangers on the internet!

Re: Ask HN: Do your eyes bug you even though your prescription is "correct"?

#108
post #38

Anecdotally related, but, during Covid and remote work I went to an optometrist around age 35 after I noticed my distance vision was blurry, especially at night after working inside all day. They told me "you have 20/20 vision, your vision is completely fine, you don't need glasses!" But, I responded, my vision is definitely blurry. They politely told me to stop wasting their time. Dissatisfied, I went to another opt…

How the hell did you convince your optometrist to correct your vision to 20/7?

The past two docs I've been two have ignored me when I've said "I can make out the letters, but they're blurry and fuzzy. Can we go stronger?" with "Well, that's corrected to 20/20 vision.".

I'm very, very strongly considering finding a used eye-testing-headgear thingie like they have in their offices, learning how to use it, and doing the testing for myself.

Re: Ask HN: Do your eyes bug you even though your prescription is "correct"?

#109
Since it hasn't been mentioned yet, I must add this: when we work and focus, especially when using digital screens, we tend to blink a lot less frequently. If tear composition is not good or there are other exacerbating factors (e.g. an AC with high flow), the break-up of the tear film can easily lead to eyestrain and even blurry vision. In such situations, preservative-free artificial tear drops 3-5x a day can lead to pretty good results. In some cases, one needs to try a few, each for a week or two, before finding the correct one. Pro tip: any eye drop can cause discomfort for a few seconds, especially if the dry eye symptoms have persisted for a long time.

Further reading: https://eyewiki.org/Dry_Eye_Syndrome

Re: Ask HN: Do your eyes bug you even though your prescription is "correct"?

#110
I was born with congenital bilateral cataracts and had the lenses in both eyes removed as an infant (a condition called Aphakia). I have been set up with monovision since I was very young -- that basically means I'm intentionally far-sighted in one eye and near-sighted in the other so that I use one eye for reading and the other eye for distance.

I wear hard contact lenses most of the time, but I do have glasses. My glasses prescription is around +21/+23 (I would fit right in hanging out with Milhouse Van Houten or Professor Hubert J. Farnsworth), but I only wear them in emergencies because I get headaches and dizziness after 10/15 minutes of wearing them. I mostly keep 'em for the novelty of showing people just how thick my glasses are. 8)

My eyes do get tired after long screen days, resulting in blurry vision and watery eyes. I also get headaches on a somewhat frequent basis.

If that's useful at all, I'd be happy to chat more.

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