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Athena spacecraft declared dead after toppling over on moon

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Re: Athena spacecraft declared dead after toppling over on moon

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Not a native English speaker here, my focus stopped at the subtitle "Robotic private spacecraft touched down about 250 miles from its intended landing site on Thursday". It feels odd to read "robotic private spacecraft" instead of "private robotic spacecraft" but I can't explain why.

Re: Athena spacecraft declared dead after toppling over on moon

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Not a native English speaker here, my focus stopped at the subtitle "Robotic private spacecraft touched down about 250 miles from its intended landing site on Thursday". It feels odd to read "robotic private spacecraft" instead of "private robotic spacecraft" but I can't explain why.

I agree, as a native speaker. It's a known phenomena[1], though I'm not sure in this case what type of adjective you'd classify "private" as.

[1]: https://dictionary.cambridge.org/grammar/british-grammar/adj...

Re: Athena spacecraft declared dead after toppling over on moon

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post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I'm sure senior leaders at NASA are reconsidering giving any new contracts to IM. at NASA, and DOGE, when they catch wind of it bagholders on reddit trying to understand the 50% drop have not been open to anything rational that explains the 50% drop so far I've gotten "You are blinded by dumb hate." for pointing out that $LUNR's unintuitive machines getting contracts from Nasa are their only business plan, as if th…

Shit, NASA does space stuff, it fails sometimes! Do we want to only fund things we know to be 100% easy to do? And don't fucking tell me, "we already landed on the moon once, how hard can it be?" because this shit is really fucking hard and takes lots of cash and a lot of what apppears to be "waste" or "failure" on a first order approximation, but in reality is actually "learned knowledge". I can't believe people thi…

Worse, it’s richest country on earth complaining about being too poor and having to enact austerity measures — implemented by the richest person on the planet who’s personal pay is much, much higher than any of the savings he’s found so far.

I’ve seen many occasions in my career when some manager had flown across the country with a business class ticket, stayed in a fancy hotel, rented a luxury car, and turned up to an all-hands-on-deck meeting to announce in a grave tone that the minimum wage workers are just going to have to make some sacrifices.

This is almost precisely what’s going on with DOGE except you can substitute private jet and secret service motorcade. And instead of minimum wage, it’s… less than minimum wage.

The richest are complaining about being too poor to help the needy, and fixing the issue by cutting every program that helps those under the poverty line.

Re: Athena spacecraft declared dead after toppling over on moon

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Not a native English speaker here, my focus stopped at the subtitle "Robotic private spacecraft touched down about 250 miles from its intended landing site on Thursday". It feels odd to read "robotic private spacecraft" instead of "private robotic spacecraft" but I can't explain why.

There is such a thing as adjective order.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adjective#Order

Arguably "private" is origin and "robotic" is purpose.

Re: Athena spacecraft declared dead after toppling over on moon

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wouldn't say entirely. Starship isn't going to be involved in Artemis II, but Artemis III supposed to take humans to the moon in December 2025. Nobody's on schedule.

> wouldn't say entirely. Starship isn't going to be involved in Artemis II So entirely. Artemis III is being delayed by Artemis II. We expect Starship to delay III. But so far, 100% of the delays have been caused by Orion.

Technically, sure. Practically, nobody's on schedule. I don't think Orion's delays absolve Starship's.

Re: Athena spacecraft declared dead after toppling over on moon

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Not a native English speaker here, my focus stopped at the subtitle "Robotic private spacecraft touched down about 250 miles from its intended landing site on Thursday". It feels odd to read "robotic private spacecraft" instead of "private robotic spacecraft" but I can't explain why.

The order of adjectives in English is usually:

opinion, size, age or shape, colour, origin, material, purpose

It is sometimes difficult to classify adjectives this way, but "private" is probably opinion and "robotic" is probably purpose, so you are correct, "private robotic spacecraft" is probably correct.

The problem with English, of course, is that you can figure out what someone means, even if they jumble all their words up, most of the time.

I wonder if the standard of English composition has been reducing in journalism, over the past few years.

Re: Athena spacecraft declared dead after toppling over on moon

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post #73

Imagine we spent this much effort on projects on the Earth.

We spend vastly more on projects on Earth, any way you measure. Time, money, manpower. The US Federal Govt spent $6.9 Trillion last year, Nasa's budget was $25 billion, so about 0.3% of spending.

https://www.planetary.org/space-policy/nasa-budget

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