Parents can choose to restrict their kids internet access. That's the best way of handling this.
Age Verification Laws: A Backdoor to Surveillance
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#32This should be held up as a visceral demonstration of how the "slippery slope" isn't inherently a fallacy, as many oft like to claim: it is merely a form of argument that is easy enough to get wrong--leading to a fallacy when the cause is disconnected--that people have become overly-wary of it, reacting to the premise of the conclusion without even bothering to analyze how steep the slope might be before tuning the i…
If you look at it less as "if A then B" and more like "if A then possibly B" as it's usually intended then I think you can strip the fallacy.
Almost anything is possible, but even in this case it was never inevitable or inherently true that age verification for X meant age verification for Y. Which means the value - if any - for a slippery slope argument is "consider the possibilities X might open up"
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#33Parents can choose to restrict their kids internet access. That's the best way of handling this.
The Internet is so ubiquitous and intertwined in daily life that that's impossible and you know it.
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#34Am I missing something here? Entirely possible and likely. When I go to pornhub I have to click a button that days I’m 18. Some other sites I’ve seen actually make me enter a birthdate. Slightly more annoying but I always make one up. Is this what people are upset about? I get actual age verification with an account required or checking my ID is more invasive..but I guess I’ve not experienced this as an actual proble…
to buy vape products online in california you have to submit your id to a third party id verification service. that's incredibly intrusive and could be where these laws go.
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#36age verification should be backed into the browser and not into websites. parents should be able to access a (password protected) setting in any browser that can exclude some types of websites (like porn). governments should be free to go after any website not respecting that setting. but forcing the age-verification onto websites is just moronic.
> age verification should be backed into the browser You want a mandated block of government code in every browser?
Such a law doesn't necessarily have to require that every browser include the content filtering code. Only that websites must correctly report the content they serve. Of course then the obvious workaround for someone wanting to access restricted content is just to install a browser that does not enforce the restrictions. But that's a problem even if browsers were "forced" to implement this anyway. There would always be a browser out there that didn't adhere to this rule anyway.
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#37age verification should be backed into the browser and not into websites. parents should be able to access a (password protected) setting in any browser that can exclude some types of websites (like porn). governments should be free to go after any website not respecting that setting. but forcing the age-verification onto websites is just moronic.
And then kinds just learn how to download and run an open-source browser produced outside of the country that does not implement the setting on the client side.
I was going to say that it's a great way to teach teenagers how to modify and compile a browser.
Moving the verification to sites also isn't going you any good, as the site owners could just move to more liberal countries.
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#38Parents can choose to restrict their kids internet access. That's the best way of handling this.
The Internet is so ubiquitous and intertwined in daily life that that's impossible and you know it.
I don't think the parent comment was suggesting disallowing access to the Internet entirely, but restricting the content that is accessible. Accessing pornographic material is obviously not a necessity for kids. That said, kids of course do often find a way around any blocks or filters put in place.
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#39age verification should be backed into the browser and not into websites. parents should be able to access a (password protected) setting in any browser that can exclude some types of websites (like porn). governments should be free to go after any website not respecting that setting. but forcing the age-verification onto websites is just moronic.
it would be less terrible if there were some simple, Apple ID-like way to simply get redirected to a govt website, put in your driver's license, and the website only gets a token back that says "yes over age/no underage". The data already exists, it's what bars use to scan IDs with handheld readers IIRC.
That barcode contains a lot more than just your birthday. It contains all of the info on the license front (which includes your drivers license). It's a bit absurd that the bar is copying down your details in order to get into their bar. (They often store it and can/will use it for bar bans)
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#40Earlier quoted context omitted.
> age verification should be backed into the browser You want a mandated block of government code in every browser?
Such a law doesn't necessarily have to require that every browser include the content filtering code. Only that websites must correctly report the content they serve. Of course then the obvious workaround for someone wanting to access restricted content is just to install a browser that does not enforce the restrictions. But that's a problem even if browsers were "forced" to implement this anyway. There would always…
> Of course then the obvious workaround for someone wanting to access restricted content is just to install a browser that does not enforce the restrictions
You really see a world where such a law is passed and such browsers aren’t outlawed?