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I'm still mad that they high-quality voice audio possible through ISDN didn't become ubiquitous. It's ridiculous to hear the clipped frequency range of a plain old telephone line during radio interviews in 2025.
Modern cellphone networks support wideband codecs, e.g. AMR-WB.
That reminds me of my short time with ISDN and the amazing availability to receive calls on the second line without forcing me offline.
I'm still mad that they high-quality voice audio possible through ISDN didn't become ubiquitous. It's ridiculous to hear the clipped frequency range of a plain old telephone line during radio interviews in 2025.
I have to wonder if the cap (theoretical) on the copper wires was more because of the technology standards in play at the time. Surely the copper wires could have handled more if they did not have to carry voice communication (with the old tech specs of the time) any longer? Ok. Searched around. Here is an article that states old copper could have carried 1 gigabit. https://www.newscientist.com/article/2317040-ordina…
Keep in mind that at the time, LAN speeds over controlled twisted copper pairs over short distances (100m) were 100mbps - 1gbps.
If you've ever seen the physical condition of the telephone company's outside subscriber wiring (what they call "outside plant") -- and particularly the intermediate splices between central office and subscriber -- you would quickly disabuse yourself of the notion that you could transmit anything close to 1gbps over a twisted pair.
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I'm still mad that they high-quality voice audio possible through ISDN didn't become ubiquitous. It's ridiculous to hear the clipped frequency range of a plain old telephone line during radio interviews in 2025.
24 [bit] * 192 [kHz] = 4.608 [Mbps]. Maybe not sensible to do so, but many people could have Discord calls in uncompressed "high-res" WAV. It's crazy that there aren't even 16bit/44.1k modes in most voice call apps.
Yup. I worked on the "Rapport" series of switches at Bell Canada. It was DS1 (Digital Signal 1) out one end and a rack full of Zyxel modems on the other side. The idea was RBOCs (Regional Bell Operating Companies) would put these in their CO (Central Office) and terminate 56k modem signals over the analog "last mile" loop to the customer premises and then do Frame Relay over the phone company's data lines to your ISP…
> DS1 (Digital Signal 1) out one end and a rack full of Zyxel modems on the other side Why use real physical modems when you already have subscribers signals converted to convenient digital form in DS1 bundle? Wouldnt it make more sense to put a box with one fat DSP doing 24 modems all in bulk inside a box with DS1 and Ethernet sockets at the ISP location instead?
These were great boxes, and the only way you could get 56K was to call into an ISP with one of these or similar on their end -- the trickery that allowed 56K relied on one end being fully digital.
I was working for an ISP around that time and we had a bunch of Portmaster 2s connected via RS-232 cables to piles of modems, some rackmount some just stacks and stacks of US Robotics Sportsters. Sometimes modems would get wedged and we'd have to reboot them or "busy out" the line that they were on. Harder for the modems that were an hour away.
When the transition happened we were able to get rid of all those wires and just plug in one small phone cable for the T1, another for Ethernet, and terminate 23 lines. The Portmaster would treat all the modems as a pool and route calls to whichever was available, and once a call was done would run some testing on the modem before putting it back into the pool. It was like a space age rocket ship! At one point I was driving around with $50K worth of Portmasters in the trunk of my car, hoping I didn't get rear-ended. They were not at all cheap, but they were worth it.
Yup. I worked on the "Rapport" series of switches at Bell Canada. It was DS1 (Digital Signal 1) out one end and a rack full of Zyxel modems on the other side. The idea was RBOCs (Regional Bell Operating Companies) would put these in their CO (Central Office) and terminate 56k modem signals over the analog "last mile" loop to the customer premises and then do Frame Relay over the phone company's data lines to your ISP…
Revealing my ignorance here, but was (is?) there a telephone equivalent of anycast such that, say, the 1-800-... Or 1-900... numbers would be routed differently based on location? My basic knowledge of phone systems suggests it would at least be possible.
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That 128Kbps on ISDN was the like the gold standard back then! I knew some sysadmins who had that installed to their homes so they could be available at any time. All paid for by the company they worked for.
The most bang for buck "employee benefit" I ever offered to my guys back in the earl 00's was a T1 line to their home for free. We could do this since local loops to most folks were about $150-200/mo, and we already had a channelized DS3 terminated at our rack at a local datacenter for our phone banks. If you bought your own DS1 retail you'd be paying upwards of $1k/mo back then to a provider. It was by far the best…
That reminds me of my short time with ISDN and the amazing availability to receive calls on the second line without forcing me offline.
I'm still mad that they high-quality voice audio possible through ISDN didn't become ubiquitous. It's ridiculous to hear the clipped frequency range of a plain old telephone line during radio interviews in 2025.
I was talking to a sales rep, at the time I worked for USWest or QWest, whatever they were called at that time, which may have helped, and the sales rep told me "we are being told to actively discourage people from buying ISDN".
I get the impression that the phone company hated consumer modem use of any kind, because it tied up CO equipment 24x7, and they liked the returns on investment they got with people paying $25/mo for resources that were used an hour or less a day, sometimes with extra revenue from long distance calling. And ISDN was just another representation of that.
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192 kHz? That makes no sense, unless you want to have a telephone conversation between bats.
192 kHz is the sampling rate, not the sound frequency.
humans can’t hear above 20khz. adult humans can’t hear above 16khz or so, we lose the top end before age 20. this means that the standard 48khz sampling rate covers the entire human hearing range and then some (0-24khz). any sampling rate over 48khz for sound intended for human hearing is a total waste.
Now I'm curious about how this worked in my city where we most definitely didn't have anything digital to our phone system at the time. As in, you had to use pulse dialing, and sometimes, rarely, your calls would glitch such that you would hear someone else talking over your call. Yet I remember consistently getting 40-something kbit over that.