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How often are children genetically unrelated to their presumed fathers?

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Re: How often are children genetically unrelated to their presumed fathers?

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post #6

Back when I used to do pedigree analysis, the general rule of thumb was 1/10 chance that the father wasn't what was stated in the pedigree. You would run the analysis and get absolute nonsense results, and then you'd swap a father for an uncle, or a mother for her daughter, and the alleles would all just suddenly line up. We would never tell the families, and since the pedigrees were anonymized before being published…

What is pedigree analysis? Are you talking about dogs, or people?

Re: How often are children genetically unrelated to their presumed fathers?

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post #28

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I disagree here. Blood tests done at birth are done specifically for the benefit of the child (and with minimal risk to the child). A paternity test has no benefit for the child (it doesn't tell you who the father is, simply who the father isn't) and a ~1% risk of harm to the child. The period immediately after birth is one of the most dangerous times for children, and we (should) specifically take action to protect…

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Re: How often are children genetically unrelated to their presumed fathers?

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post #25
post #7

The language usage is a bit weird. It seems that caring at all if your child is yours is "obsession" and "fixation". Quite judgemental word choice for something rather normal.

It may be normal, but is it productive? What will you do? Stop loving your child, punish the mother? You may be better off not knowing the answer and being OK with that.

> Stop loving your child

They are not your child. They are someone else's child. Maybe you keep loving them the same. Maybe you don't.

> punish the mother?

That would be barbaric. You wish your former partner all the best, and you part ways. Or you don't. But if people can divorce over "nothing" then that level of dishonesty certainly qualifies for one.

Re: How often are children genetically unrelated to their presumed fathers?

#44
post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I disagree here. Blood tests done at birth are done specifically for the benefit of the child (and with minimal risk to the child). A paternity test has no benefit for the child (it doesn't tell you who the father is, simply who the father isn't) and a ~1% risk of harm to the child. The period immediately after birth is one of the most dangerous times for children, and we (should) specifically take action to protect…

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The internet is truly a wild place. You can say something like "We shouldn't do mandatory paternity tests at birth because they bring no benefit to the child" and someone responds with "So you're saying we shouldn't stop wife beaters?"

No bitch, that's a whole different sentence. What the fuck are you talking about.

Re: How often are children genetically unrelated to their presumed fathers?

#45
post #7

The language usage is a bit weird. It seems that caring at all if your child is yours is "obsession" and "fixation". Quite judgemental word choice for something rather normal.

to those people, "normal" is abhorrent. desiring normalcy means you are a (insert an appropriate accusatory pejorative). expressing opposition to any degenerate behavior inevitably draws ire from the bourgeois folx.

Re: How often are children genetically unrelated to their presumed fathers?

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post #44

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The internet is truly a wild place. You can say something like "We shouldn't do mandatory paternity tests at birth because they bring no benefit to the child" and someone responds with "So you're saying we shouldn't stop wife beaters?" No bitch, that's a whole different sentence. What the fuck are you talking about.

No chance, bucko.

The essence of your comment is that paternity testing should be avoided because there is no benefit to children and there is potential harm to women. Your focus was not on the mandatory nature of any such testing.

And I believe you understand my analogy in spite of your faux confusion and outrage.

Re: How often are children genetically unrelated to their presumed fathers?

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post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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The internet is truly a wild place. You can say something like "We shouldn't do mandatory paternity tests at birth because they bring no benefit to the child" and someone responds with "So you're saying we shouldn't stop wife beaters?" No bitch, that's a whole different sentence. What the fuck are you talking about.

A stronger argument in line with the "benefit of the child" thinking would be that slight domestic violence should no longer be grounds for divorce since divorce rarely benefits the child.

Which is obviously a crazy line of thinking, but so is "let's force a man to (financially) raise a child that isn't his".

Re: How often are children genetically unrelated to their presumed fathers?

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post #41
post #6

Back when I used to do pedigree analysis, the general rule of thumb was 1/10 chance that the father wasn't what was stated in the pedigree. You would run the analysis and get absolute nonsense results, and then you'd swap a father for an uncle, or a mother for her daughter, and the alleles would all just suddenly line up. We would never tell the families, and since the pedigrees were anonymized before being published…

What is pedigree analysis? Are you talking about dogs, or people?

linkage, haplotype, and variant analysis

Re: How often are children genetically unrelated to their presumed fathers?

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In the modern world, I don't see how one can be obsessed about such a thing... Do a DNA test, get answer. Obsession over.

>In the modern world, I don't see how one can be obsessed about such a thing... Theres no obsession here, the author was being needlessly hyperbolical to twist the narrative as if the normal behavior of thinking about paternity makes one "obsessive". The way he phrased it makes it sound like it's normal for the paternal side not to care if he's raising his own kin or not. >Do a DNA test, get answer. Obsession over. D…

> DAN tests without your partner's consent or a court order, are not legal in several countries, like France for example.

I want to know the rationale behind this but I'm quite sure it's some "but think of the kiiids" catholic rhetoric.

Re: How often are children genetically unrelated to their presumed fathers?

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post #25
post #7

The language usage is a bit weird. It seems that caring at all if your child is yours is "obsession" and "fixation". Quite judgemental word choice for something rather normal.

It may be normal, but is it productive? What will you do? Stop loving your child, punish the mother? You may be better off not knowing the answer and being OK with that.

> What will you do? Stop loving your child,

Not your child.

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