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Revolt: Open-Source Alternative to Discord

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Re: Revolt: Open-Source Alternative to Discord

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I've never been in a Discord server and thought "Wow this server doesn't do the moderator LARP-ing thing".

I'll bite. What's the moderator LARP-ing thing? I've tried looking it up but among irrelevant results (general LARP info) I just found this comment again as the third result...

A more accurate phrasing would be "moderator power-tripping."

The moderators pretend they are vastly more important and significant than they are.

Re: Revolt: Open-Source Alternative to Discord

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I think I'm using every chat platform that has wide adaption in tech circles. The one trend I'm seeing is that most of us just use the platform random communities insist on us using, we don't use them out of preference. And those communities choose the platforms because of the support they're getting from companies like discord and the amount of work needed to moderate and administer the community under the platform.…

>If I need support with an open source library of some sort, I don't mind using IRC , MS Teams or anything in between. I honestly cannot think of something worse. Chat applications are not forums and they generally suck at replacing them. Not only does this make topics harder to follow and much harder to find to begin with, it also makes the maintainers bother with the same questions again and again, because users ca…

I actually despise using forums, so this is a good thing for me. Chat is a lot more casual, like how you might walk up to a colleague in the office for some advice.

My experience with many forums is that most moderators spend too much time making the forum perfect and less time helping me with my problems. My experience with chat is that I post a question and then someone has an answer pretty quickly

Re: Revolt: Open-Source Alternative to Discord

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I think I'm using every chat platform that has wide adaption in tech circles. The one trend I'm seeing is that most of us just use the platform random communities insist on us using, we don't use them out of preference. And those communities choose the platforms because of the support they're getting from companies like discord and the amount of work needed to moderate and administer the community under the platform.…

pretty much this, you go where they have setup camp. For instance, I have one tech group that uses telegram, the dumbest tool for a tech discussion that you could choose, but there they are, so that's where I checkin now and then.

I dislike discord because it's a clumsy UI. Usually you want to be able to research what you're interested in. Not a great experience on discord.

Discord tip - if ever you need to rewind to the first message, append /0. Used to be a pain to get there, maybe they've fixed it.

Re: Revolt: Open-Source Alternative to Discord

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it sure beats mailing lists. look at LKML. I prefer discord over LKML any day. But some people prefer them over anything else. That's kind of my point, I don't have the time or energy to complain about this, I just want to talk to the right people. No one asked my preference, so in practical terms, it doesn't even matter.

> it sure beats mailing lists. look at LKML. You mean the the 31 years of simple text anyone can index or search using any search engine? How awful.

Do you use any GUIs to see the emails as a tree of replies? I tried using LKML and even subscribed to some FreeBSD mailing lists.

Its absolute trash. I don't know who's talking to who in what topic. Using ">" as a quote without any coloring and having to judge what level of indentation this is. Its horrible.

Re: Revolt: Open-Source Alternative to Discord

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> Reminder that discord is an app for kids. Why is that?

Because it's a video game accesory. They market to kids, and have kid safety features.

I don't use discord in combination with games at all. But you can use it that way. That does not mean it's only for kids.

Re: Revolt: Open-Source Alternative to Discord

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This is sorely lacking on the homepage! All FLOSS is expected to link to the source from the homepage.

May even be required, if you have a license that requires sharing the code along with the product (AGPL). Still not sure why that license isn't more popular, isn't it in the open source spirit that you can get the code whenever you use the product? Same as when you get the binary with GPL license, that you have a right to see what code you're running?

It's only popular if you want to avoid big biz to use your software under that license. Big biz avoids AGPL like the plague.

You could do a dual license model, where a traditional license can be bought if you dont want to go with AGPL and have the money.

Re: Revolt: Open-Source Alternative to Discord

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it sure beats mailing lists. look at LKML. I prefer discord over LKML any day. But some people prefer them over anything else. That's kind of my point, I don't have the time or energy to complain about this, I just want to talk to the right people. No one asked my preference, so in practical terms, it doesn't even matter.

> it sure beats mailing lists. look at LKML. You mean the the 31 years of simple text anyone can index or search using any search engine? How awful.

The LKML is no gold standard.

After searching on lore.kernel.org, do you click through individual messages with such insightful subject lines as, "media: camss: Format configuration per hardware version," and, "rcar-vin: feature enhancement and fixes?" or do you read through the nested results, which on a test search related to a recent problem I had, gave me 2.5 MB of text across 74K lines?

Even then, I didn't find exactly what I wanted and would need to browse the kernel source (and will it be mainline or next?) and click through. The frontend for git.kernel.org does not have per-line blame (unless I missed it somewhere) so I have to checkout just to find the commit I want or browse the log until I find the changed line or hope that the expanded log is verbose enough to match my search term.

lkml.org is certainly no better, with no method of searching or grouping related topics.

Or... Do you refer to a third-party search engine doing the heavy lifting of indexing and deciding the relevance of a problem?

As opposed to most chat clients, where you just search and get a preview of all possible matches, and then go to that conversation. Sure, with Discord it involves opening the client and the potential for security mishaps and other problems of modern software (ads, useless features) but it is generally not difficult to search through a half-decent channel.

You get similar ease-of-use and searchability with a git repository with a half-decent frontend plus it makes it significantly easier to track proposals, changes, feature history, etc.

... except when a merge request or issue suddenly has more than 5 participants or a branch is building a new feature, where it then makes sense to take it to a chat where you get an instant notification and tight feedback loop between all participants, rather than rapid-fire updating the bug tracker and its associated merge request comments and the reported issues in a dependency's repo.

Gotta go; a coworker is asking me in the chat to push a fix to nightly.

Re: Revolt: Open-Source Alternative to Discord

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It looks like this is still a closed platform, isn't it?

Is there a way to just browse the chat of a public server without signing up? I would like to have a more open, low friction, internet searchable alternative to Discord. Revolt doesn't take it far enough.

Re: Revolt: Open-Source Alternative to Discord

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I started and mod a server of about 6k users for a community around a niche software used by professionals, students, and hobbyists. We keep it really simple and focused primarily on people getting questions answered. Recently a small but vocal cadre of hobbyists have been demanding more Discord-y features oriented towards socializing with other users of the software, and our reticence to complicate the server and ad…

My experience is that discords that arent properly moderated go through a boom/bust cycle. And that whether in the ascendency or the fall, the moderators trying to maintain complete opaque control will fight to the death to keep it that way. And where moderation is done more by feel than by rules people start self censoring and then disengage entirely. But then you go to a discord that has moderation figured out, and…

That rings true to me and probably has some truth on other platforms as well. We’re trying for transparency but it does feel like there’s a gap in perspective and goals that could only be reconciled by making space for two really different objectives or, as we’ve been doing, remain focused on the original goal and hope that users who want to pursue other activities in the space do it on one of the other forums for the community, like FB or Reddit.
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