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Re: 56k modems relied on digital trunk lines

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

To me it looks like the article is largely told from the perspective of ISPs connecting themselves between each other, and how the constant analog/digital conversions between carriers were causing problems sustaining the 56k data rate that the (analog) last mile was always capable of... and how converting their internal systems and backhauls to digital solved that issue.

Exactly. More specifically, Internet servers in data centers connected themselves to the IP network, not the phone network (not surprisingly), so they almost always had an uplink significantly faster than 56 Kb/s. And the analog local loop had encodings that could transmit at 56 Kb/s. But these encodings were not compatible with the analog-digital conversion used in phone network backbone. While today you'd probably…

All the early metropolitan or long-haul fiber (mostly SONET) networks were digital aggregations of various circuit-modes (DS*) in those days. It made sense since the phone network was pretty much the only long haul network around and even the pure-IP networks didn't yet have enough of a market for alternative protocols. I've been out of the core-networking loop for awhile, but my understanding is that most modern long-haul networks are ethernet over OTN.

The phone companies had enormous sway over the development of these longer haul protocols. The debate around packet sizing almost always favoured smaller cells (especially ATM), which was more ideal for voice - with the added overhead for more standard IP packets. They were also often very connection-oriented, with all the extra equipment overhead required.

Re: 56k modems relied on digital trunk lines

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I remember some ISPs allowing you to "shotgun" two 56k modems for double the speed!

Like some other commentors I also fondly remember ISDN. Overall I found it to be finicky. Sometimes one channel would just drop, even if a phone call wasn't coming in. And, in order to use a traditional analog phone with your ISDN line, you needed a special powered "TA" adapter or the phone wouldn't ring when a call came in.

Re: 56k modems relied on digital trunk lines

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ah, good ol' capping out at 26.4kb/s...until 2005

We were stuck at 26400 until 2001, when DOCSIS reached the area. I recall hearing speculation that a https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pair_gain was the cause. Around 2000, I saw a crew pulling new phone lines through the neighborhood because everybody was getting a second line and they were running out, but even after switching to the new copper, we were still stuck at 26400. 20+ years later, it looks like 25/5 ADSL is…

i recall some of the same speculation. in my case we wound up getting a satellite connection, with a wonderful 600ms round trip time.

Re: 56k modems relied on digital trunk lines

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That reminds me of my short time with ISDN and the amazing availability to receive calls on the second line without forcing me offline.

That 128Kbps on ISDN was the like the gold standard back then! I knew some sysadmins who had that installed to their homes so they could be available at any time. All paid for by the company they worked for.

The most bang for buck "employee benefit" I ever offered to my guys back in the earl 00's was a T1 line to their home for free.

We could do this since local loops to most folks were about $150-200/mo, and we already had a channelized DS3 terminated at our rack at a local datacenter for our phone banks. If you bought your own DS1 retail you'd be paying upwards of $1k/mo back then to a provider.

It was by far the best "stickiness for dollar" investment into employee benefits I've ever found back then or since.

Re: 56k modems relied on digital trunk lines

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I have to wonder if the cap (theoretical) on the copper wires was more because of the technology standards in play at the time. Surely the copper wires could have handled more if they did not have to carry voice communication (with the old tech specs of the time) any longer?

Ok. Searched around. Here is an article that states old copper could have carried 1 gigabit.

https://www.newscientist.com/article/2317040-ordinary-copper...

Re: 56k modems relied on digital trunk lines

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

That 128Kbps on ISDN was the like the gold standard back then! I knew some sysadmins who had that installed to their homes so they could be available at any time. All paid for by the company they worked for.

There was also that period of time when Ricochet was available in some places. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ricochet_(Internet_service) Wireless 56k baud. So you could take your luggable laptop circa 1994 with you and dial in to work... given you lived in SF.

Oh man I forgot about Ricochet. I remember they had service in NYC too, and it turns out also in a few other big markets. https://www.nytimes.com/2001/08/16/technology/ricochet-netwo...

Re: 56k modems relied on digital trunk lines

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I have to wonder if the cap (theoretical) on the copper wires was more because of the technology standards in play at the time. Surely the copper wires could have handled more if they did not have to carry voice communication (with the old tech specs of the time) any longer? Ok. Searched around. Here is an article that states old copper could have carried 1 gigabit. https://www.newscientist.com/article/2317040-ordina…

They did it for efficiency. The observation was that the human voice doesn't use most of the audio spectrum, so they optimized everything for voice.

A reasonable decision at the time.

Re: 56k modems relied on digital trunk lines

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I have to wonder if the cap (theoretical) on the copper wires was more because of the technology standards in play at the time. Surely the copper wires could have handled more if they did not have to carry voice communication (with the old tech specs of the time) any longer? Ok. Searched around. Here is an article that states old copper could have carried 1 gigabit. https://www.newscientist.com/article/2317040-ordina…

Of course ancient telephone wiring can carry 1 Gbps. The real question you always, always, always, need to be asking yourself is:

Over what distance?

Make that distance short enough, as has happened with FTTN, or FTTC deployments in a whole heap of places, you're basically building a network that's, and I'll keep this very brief, subpar.

Since you mentioned a UK context there, Openreach rolled out an upgrade that kept the last mile of copper but now just about a decade later they're rolling out Full fibre. Whatever argument copper had, it went out the window near enough a decade ago.

Re: 56k modems relied on digital trunk lines

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Yup. I worked on the "Rapport" series of switches at Bell Canada. It was DS1 (Digital Signal 1) out one end and a rack full of Zyxel modems on the other side. The idea was RBOCs (Regional Bell Operating Companies) would put these in their CO (Central Office) and terminate 56k modem signals over the analog "last mile" loop to the customer premises and then do Frame Relay over the phone company's data lines to your ISP…

Revealing my ignorance here, but was (is?) there a telephone equivalent of anycast such that, say, the 1-800-... Or 1-900... numbers would be routed differently based on location? My basic knowledge of phone systems suggests it would at least be possible.

Re: 56k modems relied on digital trunk lines

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Yup. I worked on the "Rapport" series of switches at Bell Canada. It was DS1 (Digital Signal 1) out one end and a rack full of Zyxel modems on the other side. The idea was RBOCs (Regional Bell Operating Companies) would put these in their CO (Central Office) and terminate 56k modem signals over the analog "last mile" loop to the customer premises and then do Frame Relay over the phone company's data lines to your ISP…

Revealing my ignorance here, but was (is?) there a telephone equivalent of anycast such that, say, the 1-800-... Or 1-900... numbers would be routed differently based on location? My basic knowledge of phone systems suggests it would at least be possible.

Absolutely, when call hits local switch it can be terminated differently based on its location. Particularly pertinent for modem based services in the 90s. A single national dialup number would terminate on 100s of local pops and routing decisions would be done to keep traffic as local as possible.
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