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Re: Buy European Made. Support European Values

#151

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The favorite russian playbook, framing people who support Ukraine's right to self defense in face of a genocidal invasion as warmongers. EU security == Ukraine security.

Assuming you are not from Ukraine, how much of your paycheck are you willing to sacrifice for the support for Ukraine, like indefinitely?

I am willing to give 1% indefinitely (that's how much I currently donate monthly) until Ukraine is a free nation.

Re: Buy European Made. Support European Values

#152
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Not every european company embodies european values. As an example, Signal is listed as a US company people might want a european replacement for – and yet Signal represents european values much better than many of the alternatives.

Am I missing something? The only alternative offered for Signal is a Matrix client. Matrix is open-source and federated, so, well, can really embody whoever's values you feel like. Though it, ah, certainly lacks something in _usability_.

Threema should be there as a European alternative to Signal:

https://threema.ch/en

Re: Buy European Made. Support European Values

#153
post #8

Not every european company embodies european values. As an example, Signal is listed as a US company people might want a european replacement for – and yet Signal represents european values much better than many of the alternatives.

Signal comes from the country where the Prism [1] is still functioning. While it has open source, NSA can request from deployers on any stage to inject surveillance functionality: request from Signal authors, from Android / Apple Store repository maintainers and probably many other actors on the deployment chain to my mobile phone. I could install it from sources but I do not have any guarantee my message sent to my…

I wonder why can't we have a fully open source e2ee that would be easy to use?

Re: Buy European Made. Support European Values

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What are "European Values"? Are they identical to the values of the EU, that are in section 2 of the Treaty of European Union: "The Union is founded on the values of respect for human dignity, freedom, democracy, equality, the rule of law and respect for human rights, including the rights of persons belonging to minorities."[1] Also, did all the listed companies sign a codex that they will adhere to those values? And…

> did all the listed companies sign a codex that they will adhere to those values?

I guess they must follow the EU laws.

Re: Buy European Made. Support European Values

#156
post #73

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How is US dependency a risk?

How are you not aware that the US painted "we are no longer a reliable partner" all above the sky?

If your startup is selling to US government, sure, but otherwise I don't think there is much unreliability in selling SaaS, courses, or whatever gadget to US residents?

Re: Buy European Made. Support European Values

#157
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Ah ha. Is this the start of MAIA - "Make America Irrelevant Again"? Do they really need the help? Seems like their about to do a great job on that already... ;-)

I don't see this as an attack, but rather a push for independence from the US. I don't want America to be irrelevant, but i don't feel like I can trust them as much as I did before. Both private and in business.

Any great power when they see a previously smaller player pull remotely even: "This is an attack! They're destabilizing the region!"

Re: Buy European Made. Support European Values

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What are “European values”? I was born in Europe, been here all my life, and I don’t think such thing exists - values that are shared among all Europeans AND that set us apart from other regions. Europeans are much, much more culturally segregated than people from outside Europe seem to think.

You don't see it, like the fish who does not see the water.

Very philosophical and completely empty. (Like almost everything in philosophy)

Re: Buy European Made. Support European Values

#160
post #45

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> maybe they can adopt "stop begging USA for military protection" as their value first. Basically we did that already. But the preferred wording is "Don't rely on the USA because they are no longer trustworty."

> Basically we did that already. You mean they were always capable of doing it but choose to fleece USA instead ? Ironically proving trump right.

Are you pretending that projecting power across the Atlantic was not something done by the US to protect its own interests? You think US kept bases in Europe out of goodness?

I am not sure if you are naive or just plain dumb.

To be frank, I love that the US decided to sacrifice its own power, forcing Europe to prop up its own defense industry instead of giving money to the US so it would strengthen itself first and foremost

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