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Re: Jeep owners fed up with in-car pop-up ads

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Post by bluGill »

bdangubic wrote: post #9
autoexec wrote: post #3

Can they take the car back? I'd want to return it. No one should reasonably be expected to ask if their car is going to shove ads in their face before buying. Was this something they saw during test drives? Increasingly, it looks like my next new car is going to have to be an old car.

for sure they signed their life away on some form they did not read when buying the car :)

Just because it is on a form doesn't mean it is legal. Contracts are only legal if the words themselves are legal in the country.

Re: Jeep owners fed up with in-car pop-up ads

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Post by rpcope1 »

This among many other problems with "Jeeps" feel so profane given the marque's heritage. I guess there's good reasons you'll probably see a significant number of XJs, TJs, YJs, CJs and ZJs probably still rolling down the road (with basically all of the sheet metal replaced) long, long after the current crop of garbage has been crushed.

That all said, I would gladly fork over whatever money someone wanted just for a new XJ, just the way they were in 04 or 98, or a similar time machine GMT400 or GMT800 truck from GM.

Re: Jeep owners fed up with in-car pop-up ads

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Post by ics »

gruez wrote: post #94
spicybright wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People aren't going to stop using cars because of ads, they're just going to put up with almost anything because they have to in order to survive. The car industry is probably one of the most stable economic pillars the US has.

>The car industry is probably one of the most stable economic pillars the US has. You mean the industry that famously went bankrupt in 2008 and had to be bailed out? Looking at the list of sectors[1], there are plenty of sectors that I think are more stable: Consumer staples, utilities, and healthcare. [1] https://www.sectorspdrs.com/sectortracker

The fact that it was bailed out says something about its place in American society. Stable might not be the best description but it does seem to be one thing which is taken for granted.

Re: Jeep owners fed up with in-car pop-up ads

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Post by AlotOfReading »

adamtaylor_13 wrote: post #107
spudlyo wrote: post #6

You wouldn't run an ad blocker on your car... > But the problem could presage a more significant issue for future drivers. Last year, Ford filed a patent for an in-car advertising system that would use the car’s speakers and display screen to serve ads to drivers and passengers. That system would also use the car’s GPS tracker to serve ads relevant to the driver’s route. This is some Black Mirror type dystopian visio…

There’s going to be a lucrative aftermarket industry around removing that shit. Dystopian doesn’t even begin to describe this situation. These executives are out of their mind.

The entire automotive industry is moving to cryptographically secured software and comms. Aftermarket garages are already struggling with the burden of getting access to manufacturer docs and equipment that's officially supported.

Re: Jeep owners fed up with in-car pop-up ads

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Post by karaterobot »

bluGill wrote: post #113
karaterobot wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I didn't buy a Jeep because of stuff like this. The problem is that when I looked at the competitors, for instance the Bronco, they had their own little UI annoyances too. There wasn't anything on the market that didn't annoy or insult me in one way or another, so I ended up just buying a 25 year old Ranger. The irony is that 25 years ago, I had a Ranger like the one I own now, and it took me a series of seven modern…

If you can keep it on the road. I have a 25 year old car too. I spend more on maintenance than fuel (I only drove it 2000 miles last year) Parts are getting hard to find. There is rust that would be expensive to fix.

Runs like a champ, but yeah it has cost some money to keep it that way. Nevertheless, FFR!

Re: Jeep owners fed up with in-car pop-up ads

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Post by gruez »

ziddoap wrote: post #118
gruez wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can vote with your wallet and buy a car that doesn't have ads. The best you can do with ads on buses and trains is show up in your next city council meeting and raise a stink, only to be told that the transit agency signed a 10 year contract and can't pull out.

This assumes that no other manufacturer will put ads in their cars. Hopefully that's the case! I think the concern is that once/if a critical mass of manufacturers include in-car ads, the rest can follow (because people still need vehicles in most areas), and the consumer has no more choice.

Is there any reason to believe they won't have a higher ad-free tier instead? If they get $500 LTV from showing ads, why wouldn't they offer a $1000 ad-free subscription? Seems to work fine with streaming platforms, for instance.

Re: Jeep owners fed up with in-car pop-up ads

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Post by setsewerd »

coderenegade wrote: post #96
mikepurvis wrote: post #62

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The largest "monitor" I can see on Newegg right now is 48" diagonal: https://www.newegg.ca/lg-48gq900-b-48-uhd-120-hz-refresh-rat... And that's an outlier— most are 27-36", with 32" being the overwhelming sweet spot. In contrast, my TV is 77" diagonal, and most people would consider 55" to be about the minimum size for a new TV at this point, outside of special applications such as the bedroom/kitchen/etc. I don't kn…

I've used projectors for the past 15-odd years. Modern ones are very, very good in that they're portable, can run on batteries, don't need to be plugged directly into your laptop etc. The trade-off is that we don't really watch anything until the evening. The only ads we see are the ones from streaming services.

Yeah, my setup the last couple years has been a 4k projector + blackout curtains + casting movies via Airplay from my laptop. The screen ends up being over 90" horizontally (haven't measured diagonally). Zero ads, and the curtains make it usable even with sun hitting the window.

Re: Jeep owners fed up with in-car pop-up ads

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Post by ziddoap »

gruez wrote: post #136
ziddoap wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This assumes that no other manufacturer will put ads in their cars. Hopefully that's the case! I think the concern is that once/if a critical mass of manufacturers include in-car ads, the rest can follow (because people still need vehicles in most areas), and the consumer has no more choice.

Is there any reason to believe they won't have a higher ad-free tier instead? If they get $500 LTV from showing ads, why wouldn't they offer a $1000 ad-free subscription? Seems to work fine with streaming platforms, for instance.

>Is there any reason to believe they won't have a higher ad-free tier instead?

I mean, this is still awful, right? Subscriptions for the car I spent tens of thousands of dollars on?

>Seems to work fine with streaming platforms, for instance.

It's awful here, too, in my opinion. But tolerable because I didn't spend multiple years paying to own the product.

Re: Jeep owners fed up with in-car pop-up ads

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Post by npongratz »

smackeyacky wrote: post #50
NickC25 wrote: post #16

Absurd that cars are now seen as an advertising platform by car makers. A car's stereo or display system randomly blasting ads at you (the driver) should be treated for what it really is - intentionally distracting the driver when the vehicle is in operation. That shit should be illegal. It's dumb at best, and incredibly dangerous at worst.

Well, AM and FM radio are plagued with ads, always were and always will be. As far as I can see this is just a replacement for the fact that nobody listens to radio in their car any more. There is an entire older generation that is used to ads being blasted in their cars. The visual assault is new though.

The AM and FM radio ads cannot surveil you like the GPS- and cell-enabled (and forced) in-vehicle advertising systems do.

Re: Jeep owners fed up with in-car pop-up ads

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Post by tmpz22 »

gruez wrote: post #94
spicybright wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People aren't going to stop using cars because of ads, they're just going to put up with almost anything because they have to in order to survive. The car industry is probably one of the most stable economic pillars the US has.

>The car industry is probably one of the most stable economic pillars the US has. You mean the industry that famously went bankrupt in 2008 and had to be bailed out? Looking at the list of sectors[1], there are plenty of sectors that I think are more stable: Consumer staples, utilities, and healthcare. [1] https://www.sectorspdrs.com/sectortracker

What about Teslas P/E ratio, not to mention Musks dual responsibility as CEO and head of DOGE?
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