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Skynet won and destroyed humanity

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Re: Skynet won and destroyed humanity

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Post by woodrowbarlow »

malux85 wrote: post #7

You can tell this was written by a human because they wrote that skynet still used violence in the end. When there’s a large enough intelligence differential, the lower intelligence cannot even tell they are at war (let alone determine who’s winning) Like the ants, unaware of the impending doom of 100 ways their colony is going to be destroyed by humanity - they couldn’t understand it even if we had the means to comm…

> In short, the advent of super-intelligent AI would be either the best or the worst thing ever to happen to humanity. The real risk with AI isn’t malice, but competence. A super-intelligent AI will be extremely good at accomplishing its goals, and if those goals aren’t aligned with ours we’re in trouble. You’re probably not an evil ant-hater who steps on ants out of malice, but if you’re in charge of a hydroelectric green-energy project and there’s an anthill in the region to be flooded, too bad for the ants. Let’s not place humanity in the position of those ants.

- Stephen Hawking

Re: Skynet won and destroyed humanity

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Post by kibwen »

kouru225 wrote: post #53
RajT88 wrote: post #49

This kind of speculative doomsday fiction is getting a bit played out. We get it, AI is going to destroy us all using social media! Maybe work in Blockchain in there somehow.

It’s been played out since Terminator came out IMO The fear of AI/the fear of aliens IMO is propaganda to cover up the fact that technological advancement is highly correlated with sociological advancement. If people took this fact seriously, they might start wondering whether or not technological advancement actually causes sociological advancement, and if they started to question that then they’d come across all th…

> the fact that technological advancement is highly correlated with sociological advancement

For values of "sociological advancement" that correlate with technological advancement, naturally.

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Post by dijksterhuis »

jhbadger wrote: post #57
kouru225 wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s been played out since Terminator came out IMO The fear of AI/the fear of aliens IMO is propaganda to cover up the fact that technological advancement is highly correlated with sociological advancement. If people took this fact seriously, they might start wondering whether or not technological advancement actually causes sociological advancement, and if they started to question that then they’d come across all th…

Although people seem to always forget the 1970 movie "Colossus: The Forbin Project" which already had done the "rogue AI in control of weapons decides to go against humanity" thing already.

Also WarGames from 1983, though that was less 'sentient' AI making a decision to kill everyone and more hacker kid accidentally almost kills everyone.

Re: Skynet won and destroyed humanity

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Post by FirmwareBurner »

dstroot wrote: post #59

I love sci-fi! Thanks for sharing. However to destroy humans, violence is not necessary. All you need is the power of language. How many people have died because of a false belief? An AI only has to convince humans to “drink the koolaid” or murder another religion in the name of yours.

I prefer Skynet attacking us with robots wielding phased plasma rifles in the 40 watt range, instead of behavioral targeted AI bots bombarding you with fake news and dopamine addictive slop. This timeline is much worse, give me the T-800s instead.

Re: Skynet won and destroyed humanity

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Post by opwieurposiu »

I witnessed the dystopian future where humans are slaves to machines at my favorite local Mexican restaurant. It was about an hour before close. The kids and I were the only customers there. Before we ordered our food we had to wait for the staff to explain to a very annoyed door dasher that the meal they were here for had already been picked up by someone else. As we ate dinner over the next half hour, a new door dasher would arrive every few minutes in an attempt to pick up that same already-picked-up order.

Eventually eight people had been sent by the machines to pick up the same order!

So no, robots are not required to enslave humans and cause them misery, an app will suffice.

Re: Skynet won and destroyed humanity

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Post by dijksterhuis »

jfim wrote: post #29
Guthur wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That has never been the definition of hallucination, until LLMs. It's actually just called lying, dishonesty or falsehood. Hallucination is a distortion (McKenna might say liberation) of perception. If I hallucinate being covered in spiders, I don't necessarily go around saying, "I'm covered in spiders, if you cant see them you're blind" (disclaimer: some might, but that's not a prerequisite of an hallucination). The…

I believe the term hallucination comes from vision models, where the model would "hallucinate" an object where none exists.

You might be thinking of deepdream... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DeepDream

"Hallucinations" have only really been a term of art with regards to LLMs. my PhD in the security of machine learning started in 2019 and no-one ever used that term in any papers. the first i saw it was on HN when ChatGPT became a released product.

Same with "jailbreaking". With reference to machine learning models, this mostly came about when people started fiddling with LLMs that had so-called guardrails implemented. "jailbreaking" is just another name for an adversarial example (test-time integrity evasion attack), with a slightly modified attacker goal.

Re: Skynet won and destroyed humanity

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Post by tim333 »

malux85 wrote: post #7

You can tell this was written by a human because they wrote that skynet still used violence in the end. When there’s a large enough intelligence differential, the lower intelligence cannot even tell they are at war (let alone determine who’s winning) Like the ants, unaware of the impending doom of 100 ways their colony is going to be destroyed by humanity - they couldn’t understand it even if we had the means to comm…

Given the tendency of human populations to decline once entertainment reaches the level of cable TV and they can't be bothered to raise kids, Skynet could just go with that trend and wait it out a while.

Re: Skynet won and destroyed humanity

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Post by ljsprague »

dstroot wrote: post #59

I love sci-fi! Thanks for sharing. However to destroy humans, violence is not necessary. All you need is the power of language. How many people have died because of a false belief? An AI only has to convince humans to “drink the koolaid” or murder another religion in the name of yours.

Or just invent birth control followed by Tinder.

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Post by FirmwareBurner »

opwieurposiu wrote: post #65

I witnessed the dystopian future where humans are slaves to machines at my favorite local Mexican restaurant. It was about an hour before close. The kids and I were the only customers there. Before we ordered our food we had to wait for the staff to explain to a very annoyed door dasher that the meal they were here for had already been picked up by someone else. As we ate dinner over the next half hour, a new door da…

There was that pharmacy/market that had a wheeled robot patrolling the isles looking for spills, and the bot would call a human wagie to come mop it up.
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