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Macron to open debate on extending French nuclear protection to European allies

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Re: Macron to open debate on extending French nuclear protection to European allies

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Post by glass-z13 »

tombert wrote: post #66
hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the collapse of the US as "The World's Policeman", will result in the most nuclear proliferation since the 50s. That alone will make the world a much, much more dangerous place.

Makes me wonder if I should get the hell out of New York. Seriously, if someone decides to nuke the US, where would they start? Almost certainly Washington DC and NYC. The US is too big to bomb in its entirety. Maybe I should move to Boise, Idaho or something. I don't think they're going to get bombed, and it seems nice.

I know you're half joking but if someone were to give an honest answer i think you need to take into consideration resources in the region, water supply, rivers that could carry radioactive material and so on. I would assume (they) would've already thought about this kind of thing where you would map what's the most damaging areas to nuke that would affect the most area.

Grim times ahead for sure but i'm not that stressed considering that something like 70% of russia's population is in the west of the country, very, very close to europe

Re: Macron to open debate on extending French nuclear protection to European allies

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Post by lottin »

throw0101d wrote: post #7

Some folks are arguing even further, "Japan, South Korea, and Poland need nuclear weapons immediately": > The modern world is a place where nuclear-armed great powers, led by authoritarian leaders, often feel the impulse to bully smaller nations. If those smaller nations lack nuclear weapons, they lie prostrate and vulnerable at the feet of the bullies. But if they have nukes, they are much harder to push around. Thi…

It's an absolute necessity. The US has lost all credibility as a deterrent.

Re: Macron to open debate on extending French nuclear protection to European allies

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Post by arandomusername »

robwwilliams wrote: post #26
clivestaples wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The war has been going on for three years with no end in sight. What's the next move? What are your ideas to defeat Russia and take back the areas they've gained since 2014?

Help them win it. Like we did in two world wars in the 20th century. Here in the 21st century we get off easy and just provide material support, and intelligence; not blood. Hell of a deal to defend democracy.

US helped Russia win in the second world war. You want them to do that again?

Re: Macron to open debate on extending French nuclear protection to European allies

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Post by clivestaples »

robwwilliams wrote: post #26
clivestaples wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The war has been going on for three years with no end in sight. What's the next move? What are your ideas to defeat Russia and take back the areas they've gained since 2014?

Help them win it. Like we did in two world wars in the 20th century. Here in the 21st century we get off easy and just provide material support, and intelligence; not blood. Hell of a deal to defend democracy.

We've been doing that. What more do you suggest we do?

Re: Macron to open debate on extending French nuclear protection to European allies

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Post by yongjik »

throw0101d wrote: post #7

Some folks are arguing even further, "Japan, South Korea, and Poland need nuclear weapons immediately": > The modern world is a place where nuclear-armed great powers, led by authoritarian leaders, often feel the impulse to bully smaller nations. If those smaller nations lack nuclear weapons, they lie prostrate and vulnerable at the feet of the bullies. But if they have nukes, they are much harder to push around. Thi…

There have been some South Koreans arguing for developing nukes, and until about two months ago, I was staunchly in the camp of "What a bunch of airheads, what purpose would nukes serve in our situation, when we already have our nuclear umbrella?"

Now I'm not so sure.

Re: Macron to open debate on extending French nuclear protection to European allies

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Post by arandomusername »

onepremise wrote: post #9

Given that the Trump administration aligns itself with Russia and North Korea, the EU will need it. The US convinced Ukraine to scrap their nukes as they promised they would come to Ukraine's aid if needed. Trump is basically exploiting the situation to gain access to their natural resources. He's also telling them to let Russia keep the territory they stole when they Invaded Ukraine. Yes imagine that, Russia startin…

> The US convinced Ukraine to scrap their nukes as they promised they would come to Ukraine's aid if needed

No they didn't. There was never any promise like that.

Re: Macron to open debate on extending French nuclear protection to European allies

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Post by aerostable_slug »

I think it's interesting that the Trump administration hasn't breathed a word about the nuclear-sharing arrangements currently in place. It's low-hanging fruit, sends an extremely clear message, and relatively straightforward to accomplish, yet he hasn't made a move towards emptying the WS3 vaults in places like Kleine Brogel and Aviano.

I suspect right now we're seeing a lot of public noise designed largely to get Europe to spend more on both internal defense and their NATO commitments, while privately the attaches continue to conduct business as usual, at least when it comes to the American-supplied nuclear deterrent.

Re: Macron to open debate on extending French nuclear protection to European allies

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Post by jajko »

rafaelmn wrote: post #61
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #18

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> What's the next move? Let the Ukrainians decide. The war could have been over if Biden and Musk hadn’t meddled in Kyiv’s strategy. There is no peace with a Moscow that believes it can gain resources and mollify its population with wars of expansion. Pausing in Ukraine just allows for build-up for another wave. Maybe in Ukraine. Maybe elsewhere.

> Let the Ukrainians decide. With money and military/economic tensions for EU and US ? EU might have some interest in stabilizing the border and preventing future threats, but US literally has no interest there. And the only EU member that possibly had to worry about Russia is Finland, but they are in NATO now.

What motivation? russia is US sworn enemy, always was and always will be. Only fools don't take chance to make your enemy weaker, especially when its causing it to itself by their own stupidity and greed. US waged wars for less, far less.

Re: Macron to open debate on extending French nuclear protection to European allies

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Post by mongol »

aerostable_slug wrote: post #72
forty wrote: post #37

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Also selling weapons. What this idiot of Trump seems to have missed is that countries have been purchasing weapons to the US to actually purchase US protection (like Australia did when they cancelled the submarine purchase they did to France to purchase US ones instead). Now that the US has announced being an unreliable protector, there is probably good business opportunities for all the countries that are nuclear po…

Depends on the weapons. Certainly France is competitive when it comes to ships and many expendable munitions, but they aren't selling F-35s and the US is, and so far it seems that the juice is worth the substantial squeeze when it comes to that jet. The race is largely for second, because first place (the Lightning) is so far in front of the pack.

That juice is poisonous. The plane may be alright, but it is no longer a wise strategy to build security using US equipment, unless you are the US.
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