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Macron to open debate on extending French nuclear protection to European allies

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Re: Macron to open debate on extending French nuclear protection to European allies

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Post by erentz »

LAC-Tech wrote: post #16

The speed at which EU defense integration precedes is dizzying. In only: - one month after the US openly said it won't be the primary security guarantor of Europe - a month and a half after the second inauguration of a NATO sceptical president - three years after the start of a major european land war bordering the EU - 14 years after another US administration formally announced it's "Pivot to Asia" ... a European co…

I really think too many people inside America do not properly understand how much the world now thinks it’s at risk from the US. The world sees what has happened as us turning into an autocracy that is now adversarial to democratic countries.

Words are actions in politics. They aren’t jokes or memes. We are threatening our neighbors. And for actions we have flipped on Ukraine and now withdrawn all aid, including intelligence, and just reported turned off their ability to target with GMLRS. We have even turned off our cybersecurity activities as it relates to Russia. Writing is very clear to people outside the US.

Re: Macron to open debate on extending French nuclear protection to European allies

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Post by tromp »

rKarpinski wrote: post #30

> France and Britain are Europe's only two nuclear powers. What about the European power with the worlds largest nuclear arsenal?

As https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia says:

> Russia is the most populous country in Europe

but it's only partly in Europe:

> is a country spanning Eastern Europe and North Asia.

Re: Macron to open debate on extending French nuclear protection to European allies

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Post by madspindel »

I was listening to an interview with the Swedish Prime Minister Ulf Kristersson about this. He said it's good that Europe has nuclear weapons capacity. Then he says something like "it's not relevant to us right now but could be in the future".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swedish_nuclear_weapons_progra...

Re: Macron to open debate on extending French nuclear protection to European allies

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Post by robwwilliams »

LAC-Tech wrote: post #16

The speed at which EU defense integration precedes is dizzying. In only: - one month after the US openly said it won't be the primary security guarantor of Europe - a month and a half after the second inauguration of a NATO sceptical president - three years after the start of a major european land war bordering the EU - 14 years after another US administration formally announced it's "Pivot to Asia" ... a European co…

Yep, ridiculously slow to reach the melting temperature on decision making. But the transition could now be quick.

Re: Macron to open debate on extending French nuclear protection to European allies

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Post by bureaucratsux »

flyinglizard wrote: post #33
bureaucratsux wrote: post #25

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EU has grown fat to the point it can't get out of bed any longer. Time for the majors to create their own alliance - maybe not instead of the EU, but alongside, with a common military, nuclear umbrella and foreign policy.

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Re: Macron to open debate on extending French nuclear protection to European allies

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Post by deactivatedexp »

flyinglizard wrote: post #33
bureaucratsux wrote: post #25

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EU has grown fat to the point it can't get out of bed any longer. Time for the majors to create their own alliance - maybe not instead of the EU, but alongside, with a common military, nuclear umbrella and foreign policy.

Anatoliy Golitsyn may have been right is the craziest thing i never expected to see in 2020

plus fun to see divide and conquer get used elsewhere and on HN

Re: Macron to open debate on extending French nuclear protection to European allies

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

rKarpinski wrote: post #30

> France and Britain are Europe's only two nuclear powers. What about the European power with the worlds largest nuclear arsenal?

> What about the European power with the world’s largest nuclear arsenal?

If we’re being pedantic to the point of silliness, we could argue that a significant fraction of Russia’s nuclear assets are outside European Russia [1][2]. And that Muscovite Russia retains significant elements of its Mongol roots relative to the Kievan Rus [3].

[1] https://npolicy.org/interactive-nuclear-atlas/russias-nuclea...

[2] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Russia

[3] https://geohistory.today/mongol-empire-effects-russia/

Re: Macron to open debate on extending French nuclear protection to European allies

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Post by hypeatei »

hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #12
throw0101d wrote: post #7

Some folks are arguing even further, "Japan, South Korea, and Poland need nuclear weapons immediately": > The modern world is a place where nuclear-armed great powers, led by authoritarian leaders, often feel the impulse to bully smaller nations. If those smaller nations lack nuclear weapons, they lie prostrate and vulnerable at the feet of the bullies. But if they have nukes, they are much harder to push around. Thi…

I think the collapse of the US as "The World's Policeman", will result in the most nuclear proliferation since the 50s. That alone will make the world a much, much more dangerous place.

Maybe if Trump keeps beating his chest saying "peace" and "denuclearization" then it'll happen.
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