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Macron to open debate on extending French nuclear protection to European allies

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Re: Macron to open debate on extending French nuclear protection to European allies

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Post by hn_throwaway_99 »

onepremise wrote: post #9

Given that the Trump administration aligns itself with Russia and North Korea, the EU will need it. The US convinced Ukraine to scrap their nukes as they promised they would come to Ukraine's aid if needed. Trump is basically exploiting the situation to gain access to their natural resources. He's also telling them to let Russia keep the territory they stole when they Invaded Ukraine. Yes imagine that, Russia startin…

> The US convinced Ukraine to scrap their nukes as they promised they would come to Ukraine's aid if needed.

Glad this video of Rubio making an impassioned speech about how "the credibility of America is on the line" when it comes to defending Ukraine has resurfaced: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politic...

The complete collapse of the Republican party into one man's personality cult, any scintilla of principle be damned, is definitely not something I wouldn't have predicted 25 years ago.

Re: Macron to open debate on extending French nuclear protection to European allies

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Post by deactivatedexp »

hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #12
throw0101d wrote: post #7

Some folks are arguing even further, "Japan, South Korea, and Poland need nuclear weapons immediately": > The modern world is a place where nuclear-armed great powers, led by authoritarian leaders, often feel the impulse to bully smaller nations. If those smaller nations lack nuclear weapons, they lie prostrate and vulnerable at the feet of the bullies. But if they have nukes, they are much harder to push around. Thi…

I think the collapse of the US as "The World's Policeman", will result in the most nuclear proliferation since the 50s. That alone will make the world a much, much more dangerous place.

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Re: Macron to open debate on extending French nuclear protection to European allies

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

ReptileMan wrote: post #15
throw0101d wrote: post #7

Some folks are arguing even further, "Japan, South Korea, and Poland need nuclear weapons immediately": > The modern world is a place where nuclear-armed great powers, led by authoritarian leaders, often feel the impulse to bully smaller nations. If those smaller nations lack nuclear weapons, they lie prostrate and vulnerable at the feet of the bullies. But if they have nukes, they are much harder to push around. Thi…

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> have always consider trying to obtains nukes to be casus belli for preventive nuclear strikes

So did Churchill [1]. Unfortunately, that way be strategic nuclear war.

[1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Unthinkable

Re: Macron to open debate on extending French nuclear protection to European allies

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Post by erentz »

clivestaples wrote: post #14
onepremise wrote: post #9

Given that the Trump administration aligns itself with Russia and North Korea, the EU will need it. The US convinced Ukraine to scrap their nukes as they promised they would come to Ukraine's aid if needed. Trump is basically exploiting the situation to gain access to their natural resources. He's also telling them to let Russia keep the territory they stole when they Invaded Ukraine. Yes imagine that, Russia startin…

The war has been going on for three years with no end in sight. What's the next move? What are your ideas to defeat Russia and take back the areas they've gained since 2014?

Surrendering is not known to be a good negotiating position.

They were building into a good position with russia very depleted and economically on the ropes. Despite hold ups in US aid over the Biden admin. Pressing more aid and strengthening their position would be better for negotiating a peace. But quite simply Trump/Vance/Musk don’t want that.

Re: Macron to open debate on extending French nuclear protection to European allies

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Post by robwwilliams »

clivestaples wrote: post #14
onepremise wrote: post #9

Given that the Trump administration aligns itself with Russia and North Korea, the EU will need it. The US convinced Ukraine to scrap their nukes as they promised they would come to Ukraine's aid if needed. Trump is basically exploiting the situation to gain access to their natural resources. He's also telling them to let Russia keep the territory they stole when they Invaded Ukraine. Yes imagine that, Russia startin…

The war has been going on for three years with no end in sight. What's the next move? What are your ideas to defeat Russia and take back the areas they've gained since 2014?

Help them win it. Like we did in two world wars in the 20th century. Here in the 21st century we get off easy and just provide material support, and intelligence; not blood. Hell of a deal to defend democracy.

Re: Macron to open debate on extending French nuclear protection to European allies

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Post by deactivatedexp »

onepremise wrote: post #9

Given that the Trump administration aligns itself with Russia and North Korea, the EU will need it. The US convinced Ukraine to scrap their nukes as they promised they would come to Ukraine's aid if needed. Trump is basically exploiting the situation to gain access to their natural resources. He's also telling them to let Russia keep the territory they stole when they Invaded Ukraine. Yes imagine that, Russia startin…

hmm what does game theory say about the situation?

right from wrong is not applicable to this situation not even one bit

Re: Macron to open debate on extending French nuclear protection to European allies

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Post by ryanisnan »

deactivatedexp wrote: post #22
hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the collapse of the US as "The World's Policeman", will result in the most nuclear proliferation since the 50s. That alone will make the world a much, much more dangerous place.

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What does this mean? Is this super racist or am I just interpreting it that way?

Re: Macron to open debate on extending French nuclear protection to European allies

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Post by Ancalagon »

LAC-Tech wrote: post #16

The speed at which EU defense integration precedes is dizzying. In only: - one month after the US openly said it won't be the primary security guarantor of Europe - a month and a half after the second inauguration of a NATO sceptical president - three years after the start of a major european land war bordering the EU - 14 years after another US administration formally announced it's "Pivot to Asia" ... a European co…

Tbf, nuclear proliferation really sucks for a number of reasons, and shifting priorities in democratically elected non-authoritarian regimes with checks and balances typically means pushing such an unpopular policy forward is going to take a while.
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