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Skynet won and destroyed humanity

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Re: Skynet won and destroyed humanity

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Post by alcover »

jfim wrote: post #29
Guthur wrote: post #24

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That has never been the definition of hallucination, until LLMs. It's actually just called lying, dishonesty or falsehood. Hallucination is a distortion (McKenna might say liberation) of perception. If I hallucinate being covered in spiders, I don't necessarily go around saying, "I'm covered in spiders, if you cant see them you're blind" (disclaimer: some might, but that's not a prerequisite of an hallucination). The…

I believe the term hallucination comes from vision models, where the model would "hallucinate" an object where none exists.

Wouldn't 'illusion' be the more precise term here ? When one thinks he recognizes something, whereas 'hallucination' is more of unreal appearing out of the blue ?

Re: Skynet won and destroyed humanity

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Post by moffkalast »

goatlover wrote: post #25
renewiltord wrote: post #9

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There’s thing that happens in humans called “hallucination” where they just make up stuff. You can’t really just take it at face value. Sometimes, they’re just overfit so they generate the same tokens independent of input.

Confabulation is the accurate psychological term. Hallucination is a perceptual issue. The LLM term is misleading.

Confabulation would be actual false memories no? I suppose some of it are consistent false beliefs, but more often than not it's well.. lapsus.

One token gets generated wrong, or the sampler picks something mindbogglingly dumb that doesn't make any sense because of high temperature, and the model can't help but try and continue as confidently as it can, pretending everything is fine without any option to correct itself. Some thinking models can figure these sort of mistakes out in the long run but it's still not all that reliable and requires training it that way from the base model. Confident bullshitting seems to be very ingrained in current instruct datasets.

Re: Skynet won and destroyed humanity

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Post by ellis0n »

I think that if we remove physical limitations like locks, banks, safes, RSA encryption or even a warm bath every day, bored apes would destroy itself instantly. There are people who constantly want to destroy or hack someone and if you gather them all in one place there would be a lot of them, and HN (Hacker News) would come from such places. Everywhere, there are limitations to ensure the system continues to live, taking the next step despite being constantly gnawed at and shot at, and AI has accelerated this process. Remember, the Doomsday Clock is already at 90 seconds.

Re: Skynet won and destroyed humanity

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Post by lifthrasiir »

ellis0n wrote: post #43

I think that if we remove physical limitations like locks, banks, safes, RSA encryption or even a warm bath every day, bored apes would destroy itself instantly. There are people who constantly want to destroy or hack someone and if you gather them all in one place there would be a lot of them, and HN (Hacker News) would come from such places. Everywhere, there are limitations to ensure the system continues to live,…

Small nitpick: the Doomsday Clock is now at 89 seconds. I still don't get how this clock works.

Re: Skynet won and destroyed humanity

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ellis0n wrote: post #43

I think that if we remove physical limitations like locks, banks, safes, RSA encryption or even a warm bath every day, bored apes would destroy itself instantly. There are people who constantly want to destroy or hack someone and if you gather them all in one place there would be a lot of them, and HN (Hacker News) would come from such places. Everywhere, there are limitations to ensure the system continues to live,…

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Re: Skynet won and destroyed humanity

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Post by cwillu »

lifthrasiir wrote: post #44
ellis0n wrote: post #43

I think that if we remove physical limitations like locks, banks, safes, RSA encryption or even a warm bath every day, bored apes would destroy itself instantly. There are people who constantly want to destroy or hack someone and if you gather them all in one place there would be a lot of them, and HN (Hacker News) would come from such places. Everywhere, there are limitations to ensure the system continues to live,…

Small nitpick: the Doomsday Clock is now at 89 seconds. I still don't get how this clock works.

It's purely a social mechanism.

Re: Skynet won and destroyed humanity

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Post by cwillu »

AcerbicZero wrote: post #22
ben_w wrote: post #16

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Skynet in the Terminator series never struck me as being paticularly high IQ. It's an electronic mind, so necessarily dependent on electricity, and the opening move was an atomic war that would've damaged power generation and distribution. T3 version was especially foolish, as it was a distributed virus operating on internet connected devices and had no protected core, so it was completely dependent on the civilian p…

For a machine that could invent time travel, it was impressively stupid.

“But as dumb as it is, it's dumb very, very fast, and in the future, after it's all but wiped us out, it's dumb fast enough to be a problem.”

https://m.fanfiction.net/s/9658524/1/Branches-on-the-Tree-of...

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