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Re: Show HN: Time travel debugging AI for more reliable vibe coding

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Post by yapyap »

webdever wrote: post #26

> it's amazing to use Claude to prompt an app into existence, and pretty frustrating when that app doesn't work right and Claude is all thumbs fixing the problem. Such an in interesting sentence. App that doesn't work doesn't seem like it's yet come into existence. This has been my (limited) experience so far. I haven't been able to get an AI/LLM to help me build an app. Even React apps it fails at. I have been able…

lol agreed, also I’m of the opinion that if you want a working app it’s much more frustrating to debug a heap of code generated by an AI than it is to build yourself (maybe with the help of AI, if you really need it). at least with the latter if you really built it yourself you understand all the components (to a certain abstraction point at least)

Re: Show HN: Time travel debugging AI for more reliable vibe coding

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Post by babyshake »

It does seem like the same type of UI as v0.dev ("What do you want to do?") is a strange UI/UX for fixing a bug, although I see there is a way to import code. The ideal UI/UX seems to be a CLI tool or VS code extension where I give it access to the directory and describe the bug and it just figures out what to do

Re: Show HN: Time travel debugging AI for more reliable vibe coding

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Post by AdieuToLogic »

> AIs are really good at writing code but really bad at debugging -- it's amazing to use Claude to prompt an app into existence, and pretty frustrating when that app doesn't work right and Claude is all thumbs fixing the problem.

LLM's are not "really good at writing code". They generate statistically relevant text based on their training data set.

Expecting people who do not understand code to use LLM’s for making solutions is like thinking “non-pilots” can successfully fly a 747.

Re: Show HN: Time travel debugging AI for more reliable vibe coding

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Post by ScrexyScroo »

LLMs at best are a good auto-complete. I have been trying to use LLMs to code since GPT 3 came out. While Claude 3.7 has made some progress still it can't generate an app into existence, although it's great for boilerplate or hinting to which direction I should try to find the documentation.

Re: Show HN: Time travel debugging AI for more reliable vibe coding

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Post by aprilthird2021 »

webdever wrote: post #26

> it's amazing to use Claude to prompt an app into existence, and pretty frustrating when that app doesn't work right and Claude is all thumbs fixing the problem. Such an in interesting sentence. App that doesn't work doesn't seem like it's yet come into existence. This has been my (limited) experience so far. I haven't been able to get an AI/LLM to help me build an app. Even React apps it fails at. I have been able…

You can replace "Claude" with any WYSIWYG no-code solution from back in the day like Dreamweaver or whatever and it's basically the same.

I know it's much more powerful than that tool was, but the experience described is similar between both

Re: Show HN: Time travel debugging AI for more reliable vibe coding

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Post by aprilthird2021 »

ScrexyScroo wrote: post #35

LLMs at best are a good auto-complete. I have been trying to use LLMs to code since GPT 3 came out. While Claude 3.7 has made some progress still it can't generate an app into existence, although it's great for boilerplate or hinting to which direction I should try to find the documentation.

A great auto-complete, I'd say. But that's as much as I've gotten out of it too. Still a huge productivity booster

Re: Show HN: Time travel debugging AI for more reliable vibe coding

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Post by vunderba »

unclad5968 wrote: post #14

What is vibe coding?

An even lazier form of LLM assisted coding where you blindly spam the tab key without even taking the bare minimum amount of time reviewing the garbage that it's busy outputting.

Karpathy "coined" the term and I absolutely hate it. It's up there with "asshat" and "awesome sauce" for profoundly stupid terms.

Re: Show HN: Time travel debugging AI for more reliable vibe coding

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Post by galuggus »

webdever wrote: post #26

> it's amazing to use Claude to prompt an app into existence, and pretty frustrating when that app doesn't work right and Claude is all thumbs fixing the problem. Such an in interesting sentence. App that doesn't work doesn't seem like it's yet come into existence. This has been my (limited) experience so far. I haven't been able to get an AI/LLM to help me build an app. Even React apps it fails at. I have been able…

I've made a lot of apps with claude.e.g I made a pretty complex swiftui app recently even though I don't know swift. Usually you have to help Claude debug them and sometimes point it in the right direction.
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