Google does not want rights to things you do using Chrome (2008)

Post by robertlagrant » Mon, Mar 03, 2025, 1:50 PM UTC

yakcyll wrote: post #29

20after4 wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I worked at deviantArt back in the early 2010s, they notably had a user agreement that did not claim any rights more than necessary, and it was revocable by the user without jumping through hoops. So it's not necessary to do things this way, companies do it intentionally because they don't care about the rights of their users.

The corollary to this is that companies do this because they are incentivised to do so by their very fundamental goal - to make profit. Whatever pressure that does not lead to a loss on the quarterly report is, in practice, no pressure at all. If we truly want these predatory practices to stop, we have to start promoting different incentives, different priorities, and by 'we' I really mean 'each and every one of us c…

Post by rafram » Mon, Mar 03, 2025, 2:09 PM UTC

bo1024 wrote: post #43

One takeaway of the Mozilla debacle is that software as a non-service is dying if not dead. What I mean is the concept that software could be a thing that someone just obtains , like a pencil. The things you write with a pencil belong to you. The pencil belongs to you. You don't have an ongoing contractual licensing agreement with the pencil manufacturer that gives them a worldwide non-commercial right to reflect lig…

Post by saagarjha » Tue, Mar 04, 2025, 7:57 AM UTC

lblume wrote: post #26

saagarjha wrote: post #3

Is this still the case?

No, the generic Google ToS ( https://policies.google.com/terms ) now apply universally and grant this kind of access.

Post by aja12 » Tue, Mar 04, 2025, 4:03 PM UTC

LPisGood wrote: post #75

bo1024 wrote: post #43

One takeaway of the Mozilla debacle is that software as a non-service is dying if not dead. What I mean is the concept that software could be a thing that someone just obtains , like a pencil. The things you write with a pencil belong to you. The pencil belongs to you. You don't have an ongoing contractual licensing agreement with the pencil manufacturer that gives them a worldwide non-commercial right to reflect lig…

I feel like Apple is to some extent the last bastion of this idea, at least as far as big tech companies go. (You could probably lump HP and Dell in there too, but to a lesser extent in my opinion). Since they produce hardware, they have are in a fairly unique place to push on device computing. Since their products are expensive, they don’t need to chase down every bit of extra “as a service” revenue at the long term…