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Launch HN: Enhanced Radar (YC W25) – A safety net for air traffic control

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Re: Launch HN: Enhanced Radar (YC W25) – A safety net for air traffic control

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Post by kristian1109 »

ammar2 wrote: post #10

Any plans on open-sourcing your ATC speech models? I've long wanted a system to take ATIS broadcasts and do a transcription to get sort of an advisory D-ATIS since that system is only available at big commercial airports. (And apparently according to my very busy local tower, nearly impossible to get FAA to give to you). Existing models I've tried just do a really terrible job at it.

I've thought about the same thing; transparently, we were trying to get a reliable source of ATIS to inject into our model context and had the same issue with D-ATIS. What airport are you at? Maybe we whip up a little ATIS page as a tool for GA folks.

Re: Launch HN: Enhanced Radar (YC W25) – A safety net for air traffic control

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Post by ammar2 »

kristian1109 wrote: post #11
ammar2 wrote: post #10

Any plans on open-sourcing your ATC speech models? I've long wanted a system to take ATIS broadcasts and do a transcription to get sort of an advisory D-ATIS since that system is only available at big commercial airports. (And apparently according to my very busy local tower, nearly impossible to get FAA to give to you). Existing models I've tried just do a really terrible job at it.

I've thought about the same thing; transparently, we were trying to get a reliable source of ATIS to inject into our model context and had the same issue with D-ATIS. What airport are you at? Maybe we whip up a little ATIS page as a tool for GA folks.

That would be awesome! My airport is KPDK (sadly it doesn't have a good liveatc stream for its ATIS frequency).

I did collect a bunch of ATIS recordings and hand-transcribed ground-truth data for it a while ago. I can put it up if that might be handy for y'all.

Re: Launch HN: Enhanced Radar (YC W25) – A safety net for air traffic control

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Post by kristian1109 »

catwhatcat wrote: post #13

Hey this seems like a great idea and has a lot of promise! If you're looking for a frontend / UI / UX engineer, I'd love to get involved. Either way, best of luck! Let me know - hello (at) joshmleslie.com

Thank you -- saving for future reference

Re: Launch HN: Enhanced Radar (YC W25) – A safety net for air traffic control

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Post by kristian1109 »

mclau156 wrote: post #14

Why the focus on speech-to-text and not purely on radar and predicting 3D movement or at least shutting down in 3D space a runway that is occupied?

Great question - the fundamental entry point of the air traffic system is this VHF control audio. Everything is downstream of that. Trajectory planning misses the intention signal on the frontend.

The example in the original post is actually a good case study for why trajectory planning alone breaks down. By the time the aircraft are on a predictable collision course with each other, you've lost 10+ seconds of potential remediation time that you would've had if you detected the error when it was spoken. Those 10 seconds really matter in our airspace.

Re: Launch HN: Enhanced Radar (YC W25) – A safety net for air traffic control

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Post by kristian1109 »

ammar2 wrote: post #12
kristian1109 wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've thought about the same thing; transparently, we were trying to get a reliable source of ATIS to inject into our model context and had the same issue with D-ATIS. What airport are you at? Maybe we whip up a little ATIS page as a tool for GA folks.

That would be awesome! My airport is KPDK (sadly it doesn't have a good liveatc stream for its ATIS frequency). I did collect a bunch of ATIS recordings and hand-transcribed ground-truth data for it a while ago. I can put it up if that might be handy for y'all.

If you're willing, that'd be great. I think our model will do well out of the box, but more data is more better as they say.

I spent a lot of time out at PDK when I worked briefly in aircraft sales. Nice airport!

Let me work on this and come back! I think we can ship you an API for ATIS there...

Re: Launch HN: Enhanced Radar (YC W25) – A safety net for air traffic control

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Post by dharmab »

I'm the developer of a speech-to-speech tool for tactical radar control for a combat flight simulator (https://github.com/dharmab/skyeye). My users have often asked to expand it to ATC as well, usually under the impression that it could be done trivially with ChatGPT. I love that I can now link to your post to explain how difficult this problem is! :)

Re: Launch HN: Enhanced Radar (YC W25) – A safety net for air traffic control

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Post by kristian1109 »

dharmab wrote: post #18

I'm the developer of a speech-to-speech tool for tactical radar control for a combat flight simulator ( https://github.com/dharmab/skyeye ). My users have often asked to expand it to ATC as well, usually under the impression that it could be done trivially with ChatGPT. I love that I can now link to your post to explain how difficult this problem is! :)

Post product market fit :D
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