I love that this is landing in Austin before the cybercab. I think it will really drive the competition for Tesla to put out an (actual) self driving car. Or maybe they pivot to the next hype train.
The problem is neither Waymo or Uber make their own cars, and the cars they use weren't purpose built for self driving. Both of those points give Tesla a huge economic and competitive advantage in the long run. Uber/Waymo are the middlemen, once OEMs start building their own purpose built self driving vehicles there's a good chance Waymo/Uber get factored out of the equation.
Ride into the Future with Waymo on Uber in Austin
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Re: Ride into the Future with Waymo on Uber in Austin
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The problem is neither Waymo or Uber make their own cars, and the cars they use weren't purpose built for self driving. Both of those points give Tesla a huge economic and competitive advantage in the long run. Uber/Waymo are the middlemen, once OEMs start building their own purpose built self driving vehicles there's a good chance Waymo/Uber get factored out of the equation.
What’s the advantage of owning the full stack? Some margin on the base machine? Is that that huge a factor?
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Why should a totally private ride with a safe driver cost less than a ride with a driver who might be drunk, tired, distracted, reckless, and/or rude?
"Safe driver" while the Waymo won't be drunk, tired, distracted, reckless or rude. It may fail in many other ways, from software bugs, ML errors, to hardware failure.
Definitely a risk, but one that has been well studied. Waymo is safer than other drivers in the areas it operates: https://waymo.com/blog/2024/12/new-swiss-re-study-waymo
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Wait, you had to call service to "get out"? What if there is an emergency and you need to get out?
> Wait, you had to call service to "get out"? In my SF experience, the car got stuck. Trying to leave my pickup spot into rush hour traffic and nobody would let it in. The car then called support and had a human driver do some city-appropriate aggressive driving to force its way into the lane. > What if there is an emergency and you need to get out? I could open the door at any time and leave. But was curious to see…
Re: Ride into the Future with Waymo on Uber in Austin
#46> Starting today, riders who request an UberX, Uber Green, Comfort, or Comfort Electric could be matched with a Waymo fully autonomous all-electric Jaguar I-PACE vehicle – at no additional cost. That made legit laugh out loud. No additional cost? Are you for real Uber? It should be significantly cheaper.
Why should a totally private ride with a safe driver cost less than a ride with a driver who might be drunk, tired, distracted, reckless, and/or rude?
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For the US, no. For normal countries maybe investment in public transit.
Self-driving cars are modern public transit. "Train brain" is old thinking that public transit should take billions of dollars and decades to make fixed-route trains that only get travelers part of the way to where they actually want to go.
Putting even more cars on the roads doesn't sound like it would scale well. Aren't they already massively overloaded?
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#48I don't think it's right to expect companies like this to do what is best for their workers or society at large. Nothing wrong with chasing profit, but don't expect them to be what capitalism never allowed them to become. I just have some optimism left in me I guess. I really hope worker-owned companies or companies incorporated to chase after the public's interest take off in technology. In a purely capitalist conte…
Re: Ride into the Future with Waymo on Uber in Austin
#49I've been riding Waymo in Austin for several months as an early. They service the central Austin area. In that area, they've generally been available within 5-10 minutes. The routes it takes are optimized for safety, if you compare the time of arrival between Waymo and Google Maps it's typically 20-30% slower to get there. Most of the rides have been without issue, but I have had some things happen: - It hesitated in…