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Federal workers ordered to return to offices without desks, Wi-Fi and lights

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Re: Federal workers ordered to return to offices without desks, Wi-Fi and lights

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It's insane that anyone actually believes that it's being done for efficiency. It's not, and never was. It's being done a) to drive people to quit, so they don't have to lay them off, and b) to restore the power dynamic to the status quo ante , where your manager could just look over at your cubicle and see you in your seat, and know that whether or not you were working , you were still there to bow to them. (And man…

> many of them genuinely have zero metric for gauging "how much is Aurornis working?" besides measuring the amount of time a butt is in a seat This is a legitimate problem though. Obviously making people do all their work from a centralized office location is a horribly inefficient solution, but it is a solution, and if there really is widespread slacking happening it might still be more efficient than doing nothing.

But it's not a solution, that's the problem.

I am currently at my desk, in my office. Am I working?

For roughly two years during the pandemic, I was at home using my laptop. Was I working?

Furthermore, for most office work, there is more to working than a binary "are you doing it or not?" Being at your desk working says nothing about the quality of your work, which any competent manager should absolutely be capable of assessing from the work itself.

Finally, you're making a huge assumption:

> if there really is widespread slacking happening

Is there any evidence that this is happening? I guarantee you that the kind of manager who does this will not know, because they have no effective metrics.

It's also precisely the kind of thing that toxic management culture says workers are always doing (or trying to do): It perpetuates the idea that Managers, who are perfect, pure beings with only the Might Company's best interests at heart, are always at odds with Workers, who are lazy good-for-nothings only ever interested in getting the most money possible for the least amount of work possible, and who must always be treated as if they are trying to steal their time from the Mighty Company.

Re: Federal workers ordered to return to offices without desks, Wi-Fi and lights

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Absolutely insane that this is what we've come to. It is mind blowing to me that this is what people want. We are regressing this country so rapidly that we are likely to become one of those shithole countries the president so loudly proclaimed Haiti, El Salvador and others were.

> It is mind blowing to me that this is what people want. I very much doubt this is what people want. But people aren't asked their opinion, and there's a difference between disagreeing and starting an insurrection to prevent a coup.

It's been a core tenet of Republican ideology for as long as I've been politically aware (30+ years now). People voting for Republicans are absolutely aware of this - they either explicitly want it, or are willing to accept as a cost of some other policy. Maybe 2026 mid-terms will prove me wrong, but if there isn't a wholesale turn away from the Trump-led GOP, it's safe to assume they're explicitly ok with this stuff.

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> It is mind blowing to me that this is what people want. It is not what people want. The Trump administration’s popularity is already below 50%, and much lower among independents (around 30% depending on the poll). Many people aren’t yet aware of what’s happening. A lot of the electorate is getting their news from filtered sources like Fox News or various far right media outlets. Joe Rogan has gone all in on praisin…

The rules of this forum dictate that participants can't make claims of astroturfing, so I won't make that claim. On a related note, I find it interesting that your comment is being downvoted while contributing to the dialogue productively. Inference is left as an exercise to the reader.

Wouldn't that be an example of brigading, rather than astroturfing?

Or is brigading considered a kind of astroturfing?

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> It is mind blowing to me that this is what people want. I very much doubt this is what people want. But people aren't asked their opinion, and there's a difference between disagreeing and starting an insurrection to prevent a coup.

A lot of Americans have been getting screwed for 30 years and have little invested in the stability of the system.

Exit polls from the November elections don't bear this out.

The lowest income voters trended towards Harris. As did the highest income voters. Trump's support lies solidly in the middle class.

If somebody is middle-income and thinks they aren't benefiting from a stable government and economy, I'm not really sure what to say... could we collectively do better? Absolutely. Is burning it all to the ground even remotely sensible? No, not even close.

Re: Federal workers ordered to return to offices without desks, Wi-Fi and lights

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The disruption is (part of) the point. Degrading the ability of government employees to do their jobs leads to greater inefficiency and more failure, which can then be pointed at to validate assertions that government isn't efficient and produces bad outcomes.

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Trump & Musk will walk out trillionaires, so they couldn't care less.

> Trump & Musk will walk out trillionaires Or in jail. We’re not at the coup stakes of life and death, but we’re also like two months into this Presidency. (For what it’s worth, Trump isn’t currently being coup-ish. That’s been left to the pretender.)

The fact that Musk will probably end up like Hugenberg if nothing changes doesn't make me jump in joy. 2 of every 5 people living in the US don't deserve it (the fifth who voted against and the fifth who can't vote), and I'm quite sad that they will have to bear with it for at least a few months (it took 6 months for Hugenberg to lose his empire and power, but I don't see the long knives happening in the US in the future, so it might take longer). At least the week-long pogrom didn't get a pretty name this time and was quite limited thanks to activists and pissed of neighbours. USians are a lot of things, maybe too passive at times, but cowards they are not.

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He already passed tax cuts, but only for the wealthy. Literally reversed Robinhood.

> he already passed tax cuts, but only for the wealthy Well, they’re about to expire and their extension hasn’t been passed yet. But yes. I’m getting a tax cut while the farmers who voted for him get tariffed out of their export markets. Sort of wild.

The next tax cuts are why they're going ham tryign to find things to cut because it's going to blow an enormous whole in the deficit.

Re: Federal workers ordered to return to offices without desks, Wi-Fi and lights

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> (...) returned to ethernet cords in piles around the floor, random wires sticking out of walls, and motion-sensor lights that weren’t working correctly I don't understand that part, maybe I'm missing something - what happened there? Why would the abandoned workplace not look exactly the same as they left it? Where did the ethernet cords appear from? Someone stole TVs from the walls?

The federal government is generally pretty efficient. They probably sold off surplus equipment. They definitely have been consolidating office space. It could be that the remaining leases were cheaper to keep than buy out, or that selling the buildings didn’t make sense.

Regardless, there’s no reason for them to hire facilities people to maintain vacant space. Leaving furniture in those places would attract vermin, ruin the furniture, etc.

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Which is why they are pushing so hard/fast; they need to destroy the right things to make sure they cannot be stopped.

"Stopping" can mean many things. Reaching the altitude of space is much, much, easier than reaching orbital velocity. This meant that during the Global War on Terror, people had legitimate questions about if Al Qaida could damage the ISS. The answer then was "no", but amateurs reached the Kármán line in 2004, students in 2019, and the current altitude record holder is 143 km. I suspect that it is well within the capa…

Destroy a Starship on the pad? Possible. Destroy a Starship during ascent? That's much harder.

There are two problems: You have to have enough greater acceleration that you can catch it, and you have to have good enough targeting (and maneuverability) to actually hit it. Those are highly non-trivial problems.

Re: Federal workers ordered to return to offices without desks, Wi-Fi and lights

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The disruption is (part of) the point. Degrading the ability of government employees to do their jobs leads to greater inefficiency and more failure, which can then be pointed at to validate assertions that government isn't efficient and produces bad outcomes.

I was under the impression these offices closed during the pandemic and the return to office order is bringing people back into those places. If that’s the case I don’t think this is some sort of planned disruption but rather poor planning. Incompetence vs malice right?
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