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Firefly ‘Blue Ghost’ lunar lander touches down on the moon

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Re: Firefly ‘Blue Ghost’ lunar lander touches down on the moon

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Anyone know if they flew over the site of the Apollo 11 lunar module landing? Surely they'd do it just for the publicity and ability to shut up Joe Rogan and the other nutjobs that consider that landing fake.

There have been plenty of pictures of older landing sites. Most of those people have a part of their identity tied up in contrarian ideas, and would find a way to call it fake, even if you personally flew them up to the landing sites to have a look.

Re: Firefly ‘Blue Ghost’ lunar lander touches down on the moon

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> 1960s technology Still photography has gotten more convenient since then, but in the agreeable lighting and atmospheric conditions one would encounter while taking a vacation snap outside at noon Cynthian time, image quality now isn't better than then* *Unless you're willing to spend $10,000+

> *Unless you're willing to spend $10,000+ OP is comparing photography tech that made it to the Moon, so not cheap tech. The "special" way the photos look like is probably more a product of the environment than just the equipment.

Different films have varied responses/curves to contrast than digital sensors. This is likely what GP is referring to.

Re: Firefly ‘Blue Ghost’ lunar lander touches down on the moon

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Here are the pictures it has taken so far: https://www.flickr.com/photos/fireflyspace/albums/7217772031... There's also a cool lunar flyover video taken during final deorbit.

It's fascinating how the pictures have that "Apollo moon landing" look. I'd always assumed that a huge part of this was just 1960s technology (film not digital etc), but apparently it's actually coming from the literally unearthly lighting conditions of being on the Moon.

Yeah it's the lack of atmospheric scattering.

Re: Firefly ‘Blue Ghost’ lunar lander touches down on the moon

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I am no expert, but to my knowledge the space flight tech evolves very slowly, if at all. One reason for that is that modern tech is supposedly too sensitive to radiation. So you want to balance what's worthwhile to upgrade, and fancy videos are probably low on that list.

Space engineer here, not exactly true, esp for non-critical systems. Check out the "Careful COTS" paper by Doug Sinclair

The paper is 12 years old. If there haven't been other methods to evaluate modern commercial tech, then it's an actual proof of tech evolving slowly due to radiation concerns. Even the process pointed out in the paper requires resources, but it just got a bit faster in the last years.

Apart from that, adding new components is also costly. You just don't order a random megapixel camera from alibaba and slam it on your 1bn space project.

Considering I made clear that i am no expert and my claims were under that context your response was simply arrogant and not helpful.

Re: Firefly ‘Blue Ghost’ lunar lander touches down on the moon

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post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am no expert, but to my knowledge the space flight tech evolves very slowly, if at all. One reason for that is that modern tech is supposedly too sensitive to radiation. So you want to balance what's worthwhile to upgrade, and fancy videos are probably low on that list.

The Apollo astronauts used Hasselblads for still photography. I'm pretty sure Firefly is not sending back rolls of 6x6 film.

What is the point? Are we comparing coconuts and apples?

Re: Firefly ‘Blue Ghost’ lunar lander touches down on the moon

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post #126

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The Apollo astronauts used Hasselblads for still photography. I'm pretty sure Firefly is not sending back rolls of 6x6 film.

What is the point? Are we comparing coconuts and apples?

Well, you were the one telling me "space tech evolves slowly", when Apollo was taking their pictures with a film coconut, Firefly is using a digital apple, and yet the output still looks eerily similar.

Re: Firefly ‘Blue Ghost’ lunar lander touches down on the moon

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It's not any more or less out of reach for a medium-sized corporation than it's been since the 70s. The reason no corporation has gone is that there's no economic incentives to. And there's still not; this is a NASA mission, it's exploratory science funded by the public.

How do you expect to get to the Moon before SpaceX? The Space Shuttle ended up costing $2+ billion per launch, and given it's a government program - getting anything on it from an untested company who didn't already have major connections would be near to a nonstarter, and that's even if they could casually foot the billions of dollars it would have cost. FireFly launched as a private company on a Falcon 9 so their c…

The space shuttle isn't relevant to this conversation. Private industry has been putting things in space for decades, long before SpaceX existed. The reason no private company put a thing on the moon isn't because they couldn't, it was because nobody was paying them to, and because there is not otherwise any economic benefit to them for doing so. If your expected income is zero, it doesn't matter how low your costs are.

Re: Firefly ‘Blue Ghost’ lunar lander touches down on the moon

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"At the end of its operations, Blue Ghost will stay put, destined to remain on the moon’s surface indefinitely." Is that a euphemism for "Humans are leaving rubbish to pollute another part of the universe?"

> Is that a euphemism for "Humans are leaving rubbish to pollute another part of the universe?" Yes, in the same sense that the Pyramids and Stonehenge and the Parthenon are rubbish

Well, I guess some alien archeologists will have some fun trying to figure out what it was used for.
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