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The top 10% owns 87% of the stocks

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Re: The top 10% owns 87% of the stocks

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Median personal has to be close to zero before redistribution payments, for all ages. It paints a pretty poor picture of what is possible. I met many uneducated immigrants on a fish processing boat in the Bering Sea making 10k a month, a job usually begging for people. They would show me pictures of their wives and children living well.

How many died that season? Dangerous work.

Fish trawling is far less dangerous than crabbing. None on our boat.

Re: The top 10% owns 87% of the stocks

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This is astronomically incorrect it’s basically an info hazard. A market crash like that would result in extremely broad layoffs, major global supply chain instabilities, and a cataclysmic knock on effect of capital losses into nearly every walk of life on earth. Not to mention, as many already have, the federal govt would undoubtedly bail out the worst actors and leave the poor to fend for themselves. Just yesterday…

Also the rich have cash flow and can continuously invest during crashes. The top 10% aren’t losing their jobs in a crash, but the bottom 50% might. So while the top 10% keeps investing and will maximize the recovery, the bottom 50% will cash out at the bottom and won’t return to invest for years after their emergency fund has recovered.

> the rich have cash flow and can continuously invest during crashes

There are a lot of levered rich people. Musk would be screwed if he got margin called on Tesla.

Re: The top 10% owns 87% of the stocks

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I think what you are trying to say is that the average American is absurdly poor.

And top 10% household in Japan is about 10 million Yen ($67k)...

Hard to compare without looking at healthcare, social security and similar costs cutting into net income.

Re: The top 10% owns 87% of the stocks

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So a stock market and/or real estate crash can actually be good to reduce inequality . In fact I think its about the only way to dramatically reduce inequality. Think about young people trying to buy their 1st home now, its becoming impossible.

No, because the richer one is the more one can endure. In a market crash, the rich can just survive with their own stash of liquid money and when the time is ripe they can sweep in and buy for cheap the stocks of middle class investors trying to liquidate to make ends meet

Re: The top 10% owns 87% of the stocks

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I think about this from time to time and I suppose everything is cyclical in the end. Most of us would have been some peasant in the feudal age and when it gets really bad it always ends in a revolution of some sort. It's just on a global scale and timeframe now. As more of the population feels the effects of inequality they won't appeased by just fancy toys and shiny things, they will want change by force. My only s…

The population might not be happy, but they don't have the means to change it. Revolutions don't happen when people are mad, they happen when the ones who can afford armies and equipment sense the possibility of coming out on top. 250 years ago George Washington could have financed the entire Revolutionary War out of his own pocket and he still would have retained two thirds of his wealth. Instead he put the losses on top of the public debt, became the leader of the new nation and enjoyed no longer having to pay taxes to the British for the economic output of his slaves. Today we can see the same thing happening again with different rich guys' names. But the poor will not benefit this time either. When things get bad for average people, it's just an opportunity for other rich guys to take the reigns.

Re: The top 10% owns 87% of the stocks

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So a stock market and/or real estate crash can actually be good to reduce inequality . In fact I think its about the only way to dramatically reduce inequality. Think about young people trying to buy their 1st home now, its becoming impossible.

The 2008 stock market crash famously reduced inequality. Definitely didn't increase inequality by leaving the average person (via government bailouts) holding the bag.

I'm assuming sarcasm here. The 2008 crash was immediately offset by huge rounds of QE that most of them went to bail out financial institutions and inadvertently further inflated the prices of most assets. It may have been necessary, I don't know, but the bottom line is the stock market (and all assets generally) was inflated with huge sums of new money.

Re: The top 10% owns 87% of the stocks

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In the US you need to earn only $178,611 as a HOUSEHOLD to be in the top 10%. That's less than $90K per person. Comparatively, you need to earn $663,164 to be in the top 1%, and more than $3M to be in the top 0.1%. I just want to highlight this to remind that the top 10% is by far not made up exclusively of ultra-rich individuals like people on internet like to believe.

I think what you are trying to say is that the average American is absurdly poor.

Or that almost every person commenting in this thread should be aware that 'top 10%' means them.

Re: The top 10% owns 87% of the stocks

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‘they irradiated their own people ! ?’ _very_ slightly edited from its original.

…I’m blanking on the sourced though I know it.

Google to the rescue, it's from Star Trek https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPBzj90Su8A
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