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What do people see when they're tripping? Analyzing Erowid's trip reports

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Post by shlant »

LoganDark wrote: post #29
gwbas1c wrote: post #22

Just remember: There are a lot of chemicals that produce LSD-like effects. The farther away you are from the chemist, the less likely you know the actual drug that you're getting. This is especially the case at concerts / festivals, where the "game of telephone" might mean that you don't really know what you're taking. After reading many trip reports on Erowid for LSD, I suspect that the authors often unknowingly too…

even LSD doesn't usually work immediately . it usually takes something like 30 minutes to an hour to start having effects. i think one of my records is something like 12 hours after dosage to start feeling the effects. which i think happened because i also ate a bunch of food before taking i use LSD recreationally every 1-2 weeks or so

> i think one of my records is something like 12 hours after dosage to start feeling the effects.

ugh that would suuuuck. Can't imagine waking up for work on a Monday after a seemingly failed trip the Sunday before lol

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Post by shlant »

Euphorbium wrote: post #3
zoklet-enjoyer wrote: post #2

I tried 2C-E a couple times a long time ago. I think it was a relatively low dose. It was really interesting how mentally I felt mostly sober. But the visuals were so intense I got motion sick. It started out with tracers as I waved my hand. The textured paint on the walls looked extra 3D and the walls started to breath. The swirly pattern on the bathroom linoleum looked like chocolate milk. My posters turned into ca…

I dont like visual only drugs. That is like watching a screensaver for a few hours.

I wish I could try a more visual-only psychedelic. They are too heady for me these days so I have avoided them all for over a decade.

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Post by shlant »

FuriouslyAdrift wrote: post #18
zoklet-enjoyer wrote: post #2

I tried 2C-E a couple times a long time ago. I think it was a relatively low dose. It was really interesting how mentally I felt mostly sober. But the visuals were so intense I got motion sick. It started out with tracers as I waved my hand. The textured paint on the walls looked extra 3D and the walls started to breath. The swirly pattern on the bathroom linoleum looked like chocolate milk. My posters turned into ca…

2C-B was more my thing (when I could get it). Fast and powerful. Like LSD but without the 12 hour trip plus body aches.

I remember 2C-T7 giving me and my buddy very uncomfortable body load.

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Post by shlant »

neom wrote: post #60
Workaccount2 wrote: post #36

Interestingly, there is a drug call datura, a beautiful white flower you can find all over suburbia, whose seeds when drank in a tea are an extremely powerful deliriant. If you read the trip reports of it (which are pretty fascinating tbh) you notice a common trend of people hallucinating that they are smoking a cigarette, and then they drop it, only to search around and be unable to find it. This is usually one of t…

Salvia turns people into zippers and books, sometimes door knobs.

my most uncomfortable salvia experience definitely felt like my whole body was being unzipped and folded back in on itself

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Post by johnisgood »

NickC25 wrote: post #4

Have no idea what variant of LSD I last consumed, but I remember some deep feelings of profound thoughts and self-reflection quite almost instantly when the stuff "hit" (maybe 30-45 minutes after ingestion), I was still cognizant enough to be able to write it all down. Some of what I wrote was indeed stuff I needed to work on in my own life and it was pretty helpful. I then spent the next like 12 hours on my couch re…

I only experienced visual distortions, and I felt like a child who just came to this Earth. I grabbed objects as a curious child. I had much more self-reflection on shrooms, as LSD is too stimmy for me.

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Post by johnisgood »

ForTheKidz wrote: post #115
dymk wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It being scary is kind of the point. Or rather, if you’re going to do LSD, you need to be in the mindset that 1) this is temporary, and you’ll feel fine tomorrow, and 2) the experience you’re about to have will be extraordinarily novel and impossible to fully describe, even after having experienced it. It’s an intense hallucinogenic, and is the most potent mind altering substance that we know of. It’s also one of the…

Microdosing (or rather 1/4-1/10th a normal dose) works quite well. You get much of the mental flexibility without serious disorientation and serious physical reaction (jitteriness and nausea, which is also why I avoid shrooms—too physical). It's also worth noting LSD is quite pleasant on the come down. You're just very comfortable and calm. Typically self-soothing through the angst of the first half of the trip is st…

> (jitteriness and nausea, which is also why I avoid shrooms—too physical

Try psilacetin. It is shrooms without the shroom matter, meaning there is no nausea at all.

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Post by driftnet »

aqueueaqueue wrote: post #173
codr7 wrote: post #150

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would add Muscimol to the list of things to try before. I've only heard stories about Salvia, but from some pretty hard core psychonauts whom I wouldn't expect to be afraid of anything. I get bad vibes from what I've read about side effects of Ketamine though, nothing I feel like doing to my body.

I don't know much about Ketamine. I thought it was just what they use to knock you out for surgery.

Ketamine is that but it's not just that. One enantiomer (esketamine) is FDA-approved (as Spravato) for acute suicidality. It's dosed as an intranasal spray.

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Post by ProjectArcturis »

crucialfelix wrote: post #236
ProjectArcturis wrote: post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There aren't really "varieties" of LSD. There's one chemical structure that is LSD. There are a couple related chemicals that are also hallucinogenic (e.g. LSA), but they have much lower potency. Having even 50% of a standard LSD dose contaminated with these related chemicals would really just feel like weak (low dose) LSD. Mindset, setting, and dose are the main variables that determine the trip experience.

LSD 25 is the classic one. There were 24 versions before that. I once took what was said to be LSD 6, manufactured by Owsley himself. It was very different, but the setting was also very intense. 2,3-Dihydro-LSD is recent. AL-LAD, also known as 6-allyl-6-nor-LSD

The 25 in LSD-25 refers to prior efforts by Hoffman to combine lysergic acid with various other organic moieties. https://archive.vn/vaKCX The first 24 are not hallucinogenic.

As I said in my earlier post, there are analogs to LSD with psychedelic effects. However they are much less potent. 2,3-dihydro is roughly 1/7th the potency of LSD. https://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/document?repid=rep1&type=pdf&d...

And it is not recent. The paper linked above is from 1964.

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Post by driftnet »

shipscode wrote: post #165

Reminder that one experience with hallucinogenic substances can give you a lifetime of visual or mental abnormalities. Personally I've had visual snow for over a decade from a 5 minute Salvia trip. This means that instead of looking at the color white or black and seeing a clean color, I see a static cloud all over it. I'm one of the lucky ones - most of the people I've known over the years who messed with these subs…

LSD showed good efficacy in anxiety with no signals of "lifetime of mental health issues" or other safety concerns, so isn't it possible that the problems you describe are really caused by contamination or adulteration of substances purchased on the black market rather than the drug itself?

Perhaps, rather than casting aspersions based on anecdotes on an entire category of potentially useful drugs, we should credit actual data generated in the clinic. Or maybe your warning should be about the fact that extra-legally obtained substances might contain almost anything regardless of what they're sold as.

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Post by el_nahual »

Workaccount2 wrote: post #36

Interestingly, there is a drug call datura, a beautiful white flower you can find all over suburbia, whose seeds when drank in a tea are an extremely powerful deliriant. If you read the trip reports of it (which are pretty fascinating tbh) you notice a common trend of people hallucinating that they are smoking a cigarette, and then they drop it, only to search around and be unable to find it. This is usually one of t…

Datura is an interesting example that proves that what makes drugs criminalized is not their potential for damage, but rather their potential for fun.

Datura can (and I'm sure does) fuck you up permanently. It's perfectly legal.

MDMA is far safer, but far more fun, and so illegal.

Alcohol is interesting in this context. Kind of fun, kind of dangerous.

In other words, what the govt is trying to minimize is not harm, but rather "incidence of mind-altered states" which reduces to "criminalize those substances that are so unambiguously delightful that if they were legal people would take them all the time, regardless of danger, risk, or health effects."

This also explains why psychiatric medicine sucks: it's not allowed to be fun! If it were fun, it would be prone to "abuse" (read: recreational usage). That results in an entire class of treatments being disallowed, and makes available only those where the side effects (constipation, brain fog, loss of libido, etc) are of greater magnitude then any mood-altering effects.

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