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The early days of Linux (2023)

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Re: The early days of Linux (2023)

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TIL: Linus is a Swedish speaking Finn; and those are a thing. This sound has lived rent-free in my head since 1994: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Linus-linux.ogg

Indeed, he is part of the Swedish minority in Finland... I thought everyone (on HN) already knew that?

Nope! Slipped me by and I'm a language nerd who literally worked for Nokia (only one trip to the mothership though) and spent my teens deep in the Finnish demoscene and the rest of the 90s knee-deep in Linux.

Re: The early days of Linux (2023)

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post #29

TIL: Linus is a Swedish speaking Finn; and those are a thing. This sound has lived rent-free in my head since 1994: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Linus-linux.ogg

Indeed, he is part of the Swedish minority in Finland... I thought everyone (on HN) already knew that?

Many Fins can speak Swedish. Around 10pc? It is an official language.

When I met Linus T in 1994/5 I asked why he spoke Swedish and not Finnish and he rolled his eyes. Was so sick of the question even then.

https://linuxjournal.rubdos.be/ljarchive/LJ/008/2867.html

Re: The early days of Linux (2023)

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One thing I often think about in the early days of Linux is it's competitors. The article mentions "commercial Unix was so expensive it was easier to write your own". Which is largely true. However there is also Coherent Unix. I remember adverts for it as the full back page of so many magazines of the day, for $99. I always was on the fence about buying it. One of the big drawbacks of Coherent was that it didn't have…

Hate to say but Microsoft's Xenix was so fast on a i386. Did a lot of scientific programming on it in 1991/2.

Re: The early days of Linux (2023)

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Slackware 3.6/4.0 back in 1998-99 Never forget. The joy of startx command working (sometimes) Fun times.

I remember when I had to choose whether I was a slackware guy or a debian guy!

I chose slackware like many french speaking fellas around. Oh, the times.

PS: debian all the way since.

Re: The early days of Linux (2023)

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post #13

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>However there is also Coherent Unix. I was a customer and it was very good, I use to use kermit to dial into a Sun System at work and it would call me back so I would avoid charges. That was to get USENET and general Internet access. Fun times. It is too bad they had to fold, be to be honest by 1995 the writting was on the wall, When they folded, I went to Slackware, which I still use. Back then, Linux was changing…

Yes, people were really accessible when the community was small. I remember calling, by phone, some (also German) guy about a printer problem - my Samsung printer's Epson emulation apparently wasn't good enough for my distro's Epson driver. It must have been in '98 or '99. He was either the printer guy at S.u.S.E. (name at the time) or maintaining a relevant driver. We chatted for about an hour and I remember being i…

As a burnt out contributor, my first couple chats debugging for users were beautiful. But then they just kept coming and coming in droves upon droves and I had to set up a wall to let me focus on the work, which soured my relationship with users, which became an ever-increasing stress...

Bless those contributors who were able to keep it up. They're the ones who should have Big Tech salaries, not those of us who gave up and sold our souls to Ad tech.

Re: The early days of Linux (2023)

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post #36

It's odd how Linux has become the only stable thing in this world. You turn it on and you know that over time it will only become better without any bad intentions.

I do remember there was some point in the mid/late 90s where I had to do a lot of research before buying [desktop] computers and hardware - would this specific network card be supported? Would this graphics card work with X11? etc. Maybe it was trauma and paranoia from the WinModems of the day, that were never going to work. But by the early 2000s we seemed to switch to a world where I just assumed Linux would suppor…

Even in the mid--late '00s I had to make careful purchases of things like wifi, or be stuck manually patching and compiling half-working drivers.

Re: The early days of Linux (2023)

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For the biggest part of my life it seemed that all these technical accomplishments were the work of untouchable geniuses, but reading this story is also very telling about the value of long-term friendship and financial/societal stability to support each other's explorations.

Re: The early days of Linux (2023)

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post #41

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Every well can be poisoned. Linux relies on people's values and people's skills. Neither of which are immune to degradation over time. Much like the post world war civil society, economic and diplomatic development was an exception in Human history. Assuming the reality we have will remain forever without protection or constant maintenance effort is dangerous.

> Every well can be poisoned. Linux relies on people's values and people's skills. Neither of which are immune to degradation over time. It's rather the opposite, combined with moral stance of Linus and it's core committee itself that has managed to kept Linux on this track so far.

Linus isn't a renewable resource unfortunately.

Re: The early days of Linux (2023)

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post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I do remember there was some point in the mid/late 90s where I had to do a lot of research before buying [desktop] computers and hardware - would this specific network card be supported? Would this graphics card work with X11? etc. Maybe it was trauma and paranoia from the WinModems of the day, that were never going to work. But by the early 2000s we seemed to switch to a world where I just assumed Linux would suppor…

Even in the mid--late '00s I had to make careful purchases of things like wifi, or be stuck manually patching and compiling half-working drivers.

I spent many years using 10BaseT and then later wired ethernet, which meant I avoided WiFi for the longest time.

Now you reminded me that I bought a wifi dongle around 2012/2013 and ended up having to return it because I couldn't get it to work. But the very next one I bought as a replacement worked first time. So perhaps I'm having rose-tinted memories!

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