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Indeed. That has to be a first from a US government agency.
From what I learned and searched for (sorry, no references), in general the important thing for a security background check for government agencies is not that you have shady business in your past - but that you're willing to be totally transparent to your (governmental) employer. Was in the past a heavy consumer of weed/was part of a cult/always attending protests against federal government policies? No problem, jus…
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#33For a government hiring req, this is shockingly well written.
One of this really interesting things I've discovered over the last year is that the government is really heterogeneous; extraordinary competence exists in many places. When you think about it, it makes perfect sense. There are talented hackers working on the kernel instead of Wall Street for ideological reasons. It not that great of a leap to imagine that there are also talented hackers (and people who are talented…
It used to be, anyway.
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#34For a government hiring req, this is shockingly well written.
One of this really interesting things I've discovered over the last year is that the government is really heterogeneous; extraordinary competence exists in many places. When you think about it, it makes perfect sense. There are talented hackers working on the kernel instead of Wall Street for ideological reasons. It not that great of a leap to imagine that there are also talented hackers (and people who are talented…
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#35Have to appreciete the direct honest approach: "It's true that you must be a U.S. citizen, and you'll need a security clearance that requires a background investigation and polygraph. But ... If you have a few, shall we say, indiscretions in your past, don't be alarmed. You shouldn't automatically assume you won't be hired. If you're really interested, you owe it to yourself to give it a shot."
Having some experience of this I know that background is crucial, as is current circumstance. Both need to show beyond doubt that you're trustworthy. What that means is that if you've been convicted of something you should point that out. If it's serious, like assault, you're out. If it's not serious, like exceeding the speed limit, and you didn't mention it, you're out. Current circumstances are about trying to unco…
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#37( Need I remind you of this? http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2012/03/ff_nsadatacenter/ )
Hey it's challenging work! Just like devising new algorithms for helping Wall Street rape the world's economies!
It's exactly what a true hacker wants and needs. Tinker with your favourite programming languages and tools! Go crazy with mathematics! Help us rape the little folks!
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#38Then if you zoom in on bottom of the background ( http://www.nsa.gov/careers/dc20/images/Back.jpg ) in the light blue swoosh there is a message: "GNXR N PYBFRE YBBX NG ANGVBANY FRPHEVGL NG AFN" Which is ROT13 for "TAKE A CLOSER LOOK AT NATIONAL SECURITY AT NSA"
Not going to lie, I hate when CSI magic can work...
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#39Earlier quoted context omitted.
and polygraph Are they still serious about doing the polygraph dance? Even after all these years with questionable results and even the Supreme Court rejecting it as neutral evidence. I guess they are starting pretty early in making employees believe into made-up Security Theater mechanisms.
The polygraph isn't about lie detection. If you can't beat an NSA poly, they wouldn't want you. The poly isn't about finding 'truth' inasmuch as it's about your abilities to pass it. I can't speak to the NSA specifically, but in other agencies, the poly is a screening tool. Even if you're lying but can beat the poly, then you have proven that you can maintain while under extreme pressure. Intel agency polys are serio…
You tout that as a "good thing" -- you've proven you can tell lies, come join our team.
What kind of people do you end up with in the end then? -- yes people who are tough, but also psychopaths, people who can lie well and can then easily turn on you and sell that $150M spying project to someone else for $50k.
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#40I turned down the position for ethical reasons. Somehow, I'm not comfortable knowing that I helped facilitate the export of US weapons systems to foreign countries that history has shown us are likely to use them to bomb their own people, or innocent people in their neighboring countries. The fact that most of these F-15s end up in middle eastern countries seems to be standard operating procedure for the US government. Then, later, when the next dictator they propped up starts bombing innocent civilians, the politicians will act outraged "who knew that by supplying weapons systems to a dictator he would ever turn them on innocent people?"
Sorry, but I don't want the blood of innocents on my hands. Working at the NSA might not directly be as damaging, but you better believe that people will die indirectly because of something you helped work on. Do you want that guilt on your conscience?