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An update on Mozilla's terms of use for Firefox
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Re: An update on Mozilla's terms of use for Firefox
#132Does this new TOS also apply to Firefox as distributed in Linux distributions?
Will Debian's default browser get switched out for LibreWolf?
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#134> The reason we’ve stepped away from making blanket claims that “We never sell your data” is because, in some places, the LEGAL definition of “sale of data” is broad and evolving. As an example, the California Consumer Privacy Act (CCPA) defines “sale” as the “selling, renting, releasing, disclosing, disseminating, making available, transferring, or otherwise communicating orally, in writing, or by electronic or othe…
If they would simply tell us what part of Firefox is affected by the CCPA's definition of "selling user data", there would be no room for misinterpretation and this would be over. If it's as innocent as "Firefox has to send HTTP packets to arbitrary web servers to achieve the fundamental function of loading a page" and that web server is considered 3rd party by CCPA, then everyone would understand... this is either p…
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#135> The reason we’ve stepped away from making blanket claims that “We never sell your data” is because, in some places, the LEGAL definition of “sale of data” is broad and evolving. As an example, the California Consumer Privacy Act (CCPA) defines “sale” as the “selling, renting, releasing, disclosing, disseminating, making available, transferring, or otherwise communicating orally, in writing, or by electronic or othe…
This is a funny case where Mozilla thought they are clarifying their position by pointing out how ridiculously CA defines "sales" only for it to blow up in their face. This is not the first time it happens to companies where in an act of desperation they issue some "apology" or explanation only to make the whole thing worse.
Now people will read even more carefully their privacy policy https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/privacy/firefox/#notice and may find things like:
> Firefox also shows its own search suggestions based on information stored on your local device (including recent search terms, open tabs, and previously visited URLs). These suggestions may include sponsored suggestions from Mozilla’s partners [...] or relevant URLs that are popular in your country.
> Mozilla processes [...] how many searches you perform, how many sponsored suggestions you see and whether you interact with them.
> Mozilla collects technical and interaction data, such as the position, size, views and clicks on New Tab content or ads, to understand how people are interacting with our content [...] This data may be shared with our advertising partners on a de-identified or aggregated basis.
> we share data across Mozilla-controlled affiliates and subsidiaries. We [...] disclose personal data as part of a corporate transaction, such as a merger, acquisition, sale of assets or similar transaction
> [...] retain personal data for more than 25 months, but actual retention periods may vary depending on the type of data and the purpose(s) for which it was collected
[Definitions]
> Technical data : Device type, operating system, IP address, ISP
> Settings: Enhanced Tracking Protection settings, cookie settings, permissions (location, camera, microphone), toolbar customization.
> Location : Country code, city.
> Precise Location: Your precise location (within a few feet or meters).
> Interaction data : How many tabs you have open or what you’ve clicked on. Click counts, impression data, attribution data, how many searches performed, time on page, ad and sponsored tile clicks.
> Browsing data: [...] websites and URLs you’ve visited. [...] (travel, shopping, social media), top level domains (example.com) or specific web pages visited.
Re: An update on Mozilla's terms of use for Firefox
#136Earlier quoted context omitted.
> I really struggle to understand what legal team believes this language is necessary in downloaded software. Exactly. Even if nothing is changing at Mozilla, their legal team has invented a new interpretation of copyright law. That’s a huge deal from a legal perspective—Apple, Google, Microsoft, etc need to be rushing to add corresponding terms to their applications. Mozilla PR is dropping the ball completely by try…
Switching to what? Honest question, not asking for a friend.
Not OP, but we had a waterfox thread yesterday: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43205110
Re: An update on Mozilla's terms of use for Firefox
#137It may be relevant that Mozilla recently acquired a Meta-created ad tracking company and is now awash with Meta ad execs. [0] It may also be relevant that Meta is recently upsetting people in Europe for tracking and targeting people in spite of Europe's data protection rules [1]. My guess (and this is just speculation at this point) is that Meta and Mozilla think they're being clever and getting away with some "priva…
Mozilla mentioned their viability in this statement, but one has to wonder how much more viable they’d be had they not wasted tens of millions of dollars on acquisitions such as this, Pocket, and of course their former CEO’s salary. I would happily donate to a company that focussed on just making Firefox and Thunderbird, but the reason why I don’t and probably will not donate to Mozilla ever again is that I have no i…
> it’s probably just easier to assume actual malice
The easiest assumption to make is greed and foolishness.
Re: An update on Mozilla's terms of use for Firefox
#138> It also includes a nonexclusive, royalty-free, worldwide license for the purpose of doing as you request with the content you input in Firefox. Do I understand it correctly that they can now use everything I read or type in the browser as they please, including for AI training? Considering that I do most of my work in webbased enail, issue tracker and other internal tools, this sounds like a direct violation of my…
Presumably they mean that if you want to post a comment to hacker news you give them the right to do what you want them to do.
I'm presuming there's no catchy legal gotcha around the "doing as you request" clause.
Re: An update on Mozilla's terms of use for Firefox
#139> The reason we’ve stepped away from making blanket claims that “We never sell your data” is because, in some places, the LEGAL definition of “sale of data” is broad and evolving. As an example, the California Consumer Privacy Act (CCPA) defines “sale” as the “selling, renting, releasing, disclosing, disseminating, making available, transferring, or otherwise communicating orally, in writing, or by electronic or othe…
By that definition, wouldn’t sharing total monthly users for the basic purpose of landing some kind of deal (could be as simple as a partnership), constitute “selling data”? Stats like X million monthly users doesn’t appear to conflict with the spirit of the claim, but does conflict with that legal wording.
Re: An update on Mozilla's terms of use for Firefox
#140It may be relevant that Mozilla recently acquired a Meta-created ad tracking company and is now awash with Meta ad execs. [0] It may also be relevant that Meta is recently upsetting people in Europe for tracking and targeting people in spite of Europe's data protection rules [1]. My guess (and this is just speculation at this point) is that Meta and Mozilla think they're being clever and getting away with some "priva…
Mozilla mentioned their viability in this statement, but one has to wonder how much more viable they’d be had they not wasted tens of millions of dollars on acquisitions such as this, Pocket, and of course their former CEO’s salary. I would happily donate to a company that focussed on just making Firefox and Thunderbird, but the reason why I don’t and probably will not donate to Mozilla ever again is that I have no i…
What is their profit or loss from Pocket?