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Re: Nigerians are building affordable alternatives to AWS and Google Cloud

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The premise of the article seems a bit flawed: Nigerians are not replicating hyperscalers, but more like building local Hetzners. And that is a fine idea! A big problem for people doing this, however, is that peering is pretty much nonexistent in Nigeria (and, for that matter, most of Africa). So, traffic from, say, Airtel (where a lot of consumers are) to Globacom (which hosts a lot of major businesses), will not st…

> more like building local Hetzners

So Hetzner is a term now lol. Soon we may also have the verb 'hetznering'...

"Have you people hetznered your datacenter?" "Why, yes we have!"...

Re: Nigerians are building affordable alternatives to AWS and Google Cloud

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How fast are cost per unit compute of state-of-the-art datacenters going down? There is the construction cost and the running cost. When does it become feasible for poorer countries to start building them?

Is there a reliable modular datacenter construction technique that allows for easy scaling/expansion? Seems that could have a dramatic impact on bringing these within reach.

As others mentioned “everyone” has done variations of havac-and-racks-in-teu for the past 25 years. Heres Amazons version circa 2010, https://www.datacenterdynamics.com/en/news/amazon-sheds-ligh... You find them in old satellite photos of places like us-west-2. You still need site prep to support the weight, you still need power, external CRAC/H and/or water supply, and access & repairability sucks.

Re: Nigerians are building affordable alternatives to AWS and Google Cloud

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> The number of AWS customers that could survive on these services alone is likely higher than we'd suspect, especially for small companies They could, but they will not.If your AWS is small there is no real motive to look for alternatives. Just stick with the brand you know. Even a lot of developers are very resistant to using something 'non-standard'.I have had "thats a weird thing to do" reactions to suggestions s…

> If your AWS is small there is no real motive to look for alternatives. Just stick with the brand you know. Lots of reasons. Maybe you want a vastly simpler interface and feature set. Maybe AWS doesn't offer servers in your country, and you've got sensitive data. Maybe the US is threatening your country with economic warfare, and you want to move away from US services.

I agree that those are good reasons. In my experience most people do not care about the simpler interface and feature set. They will put extra time into working with AWS or hiring an AWS expert rather than use something simpler. One reason is that non-technical management think something with a web UI is always simpler than doing things on the command line.

My favourite AWS service is Lightsail because it lets me ignore the rest of it and keep things simple.

People do care about the other two reasons, but only if there is an immediate risk. Most people only care about keeping sensitive data within their country if the law requires it, so that would only be a problem if you are in a country which has such laws, they apply to you with no loopholes, enforces them, and no AWS servers. Smaller companies will not plan for economic warfare unless it is an immediate risk - i.e. sanctions (there are only a few countries that are completely sanctioned).

The article is about Nigeria and AWS has no presence in Nigeria (and very little presence elsewhere in Africa) so there is probably more demand for alternatives there. In most of the world they do.

Re: Nigerians are building affordable alternatives to AWS and Google Cloud

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> you're not really building an 'AWS' until you're building a hyperscaler AFAICT there's no claim that they're "building an AWS" (or attempting to). The title is "Nigerians are building affordable alternatives to AWS and Google Cloud". So, these are alternatives and a skim of the article seems to follow. I think we've been cloud-indoctrinated here (until recently) to believe viability means fullly-scalable cloud infr…

I don't see the real difference between saying this and saying a Raspberry Pi is an alternative to AWS.

You should get your eyes checked...

Re: Nigerians are building affordable alternatives to AWS and Google Cloud

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I don't think there was much choice when it came to the size of the unit. It was a shipping container...the size is standardized. So more "install the first one and start filling it. When you get to some percentage of maxing it out, start budgeting for the next one." the cost was 1% of traditional data centers That smells an awful lot like an apples-to-oranges marketspeak. Perhaps "1% the cost for 1% the capacity". I…

> I don't think there was much choice when it came to the size of the unit Yeah, I got the sense the design was intended for smaller on-demand needs versus strategically building out massive datacenters. So, my thinking is that you would borrow from the base idea, but you'd upsize each unit to cut down on the actual number of units (and attendant overhead). Just considering that if you truly are building out a datace…

I got the sense the design was intended for smaller on-demand needs versus strategically building out massive datacenters

This is absolutely the case. This was not intended to replace small, permanent DCs, much less massive ones. Think "I need compute on space limited offshore oil rig" or "I need some compute here for 6 months".

you'd upsize each unit to cut down on the actual number of units

I've been out of involvement in building out DCs for a long time, so my info is dated, but...

As I said, there are now other companies doing variations on this. The Delta unit I mentioned upthread is built into a (standard?) 18-wheel tractor trailer (significantly larger than a shipping container). But much bigger than that you start getting into "how do I move it to the site" issues, which means costs due to transport are going to go up fast, and you're back to "does it just make sense to build a fixed DC", perhaps with a careful eye towards "I'll want to easily tack on more capacity later". Even if you figure out a way to do off-site pre-fab economically, I don't see how it would make sense to do "DC built out of X many identical prefab units" but instead you'd want to do "X many rack units, and Y many network units, and Z many air handling units, and W power distribution units, and V many CnC units, and...". I know there's a lot of talk about how building houses out of prefab components is going to change the world (one day), but unless you are building a lot of data centers, I don't know how you build out the infrastructure to deliver on that that's going to be cheaper than "haul materials to the site and build it there like we've done forever". My completely unsubstantiated view is the volume isn't there.

Re: Nigerians are building affordable alternatives to AWS and Google Cloud

#56

The premise of the article seems a bit flawed: Nigerians are not replicating hyperscalers, but more like building local Hetzners. And that is a fine idea! A big problem for people doing this, however, is that peering is pretty much nonexistent in Nigeria (and, for that matter, most of Africa). So, traffic from, say, Airtel (where a lot of consumers are) to Globacom (which hosts a lot of major businesses), will not st…

> more like building local Hetzners So Hetzner is a term now lol. Soon we may also have the verb 'hetznering'... "Have you people hetznered your datacenter?" "Why, yes we have!"...

I didn't realize we at Hetzner had become a verb. That's a kinda cool thing to find out on a Monday. :D --Katie
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