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Introducing a terms of use and updated privacy notice for Firefox

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Re: Introducing a terms of use and updated privacy notice for Firefox

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Post by tofof »

jcranmer wrote: post #154
userbinator wrote: post #151

The other WTF is here: Your use of Firefox must follow Mozilla’s Acceptable Use Policy, and you agree that you will not use Firefox to infringe anyone’s rights or violate any applicable laws or regulations. Acceptable Use Policy links to https://www.mozilla.org/about/legal/acceptable-use/ which says "You may not use any of Mozilla’s services to[...]Upload, download, transmit, display, or grant access to content that…

> It's against the Terms of Use to use Firefox to... watch porn? Firefox isn't a Mozilla service. The Mozilla services are things like account sync, or the review tool they use.

It's against ToS to watch R rated movies.

Re: Introducing a terms of use and updated privacy notice for Firefox

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Post by pilaf »

This made me look into Firefox forks/alternatives:

Librewolf [1] seems to be fairly active (last commit on Codeberg was last week) and up-to-date with the latest upstream releases (mirrors FF's versioning scheme and matches their latest). Has a nice focus on privacy and no-telemetry.

Floorp [2] also looks active (last commit last week), also claims focus on privacy. Based off FF's extended support releases so it may lag behind in latest features.

Waterfox [3] is also active (last commit a few hours ago), also big focus on privacy, but it uses a custom versioning scheme so I can't tell how closely it follows FF's releases.

GNU IceCat's [4] latest release was in November 02023, so it looks like it may be abandoned.

Does anyone have any experience with any of these, good or bad? With all of them more or less promising the same things it's hard to tell which one may be the better option.

1: https://librewolf.net/

2: https://floorp.app/en

3: https://www.waterfox.net/

4: https://icecatbrowser.org/

Re: Introducing a terms of use and updated privacy notice for Firefox

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Post by dkga »

tofof wrote: post #231
jcranmer wrote: post #154

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's against the Terms of Use to use Firefox to... watch porn? Firefox isn't a Mozilla service. The Mozilla services are things like account sync, or the review tool they use.

It's against ToS to watch R rated movies.

But python-rated movies are ok I guess? :)

Re: Introducing a terms of use and updated privacy notice for Firefox

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Post by Joel_Mckay »

pilaf wrote: post #232

This made me look into Firefox forks/alternatives: Librewolf [1] seems to be fairly active (last commit on Codeberg was last week) and up-to-date with the latest upstream releases (mirrors FF's versioning scheme and matches their latest). Has a nice focus on privacy and no-telemetry. Floorp [2] also looks active (last commit last week), also claims focus on privacy. Based off FF's extended support releases so it may…

Iceweasel has been around for sometime:

https://github.com/adonais

https://sourceforge.net/projects/libportable/files/Iceweasel...

Forks can be healthy for a number of reasons =3

Re: Introducing a terms of use and updated privacy notice for Firefox

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Post by mcflubbins »

casenmgreen wrote: post #28
tomwphillips wrote: post #7

>You give Mozilla all rights necessary to operate Firefox, including processing data as we describe in the Firefox Privacy Notice, as well as acting on your behalf to help you navigate the internet. When you upload or input information through Firefox, you hereby grant us a nonexclusive, royalty-free, worldwide license to use that information to help you navigate, experience, and interact with online content as you i…

That looks like end of road for FF for me. Have to see what other people (serious people) make of it, but that looks like a deal breaker. That's 100% spying on everything I do, because FF has a copy of it. "Input information" on the face of it can be taken to mean moving the pointer, clicking, scrolling.

I hate to say that I am probably in the same boat.

Mozilla is totally out of touch with their users. Going to give LibreWolf a try for a while I guess.

Re: Introducing a terms of use and updated privacy notice for Firefox

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Post by tiltowait »

laszlokorte wrote: post #163
jcranmer wrote: post #154

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's against the Terms of Use to use Firefox to... watch porn? Firefox isn't a Mozilla service. The Mozilla services are things like account sync, or the review tool they use.

So what about synced bookmarks?

I wouldn’t expect the bookmark to run afoul of this clause, since the bookmark isn’t the content. Now it’d be a curious case if the bookmark contained a base64-encoded pornographic image.

Re: Introducing a terms of use and updated privacy notice for Firefox

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Post by pilaf »

Joel_Mckay wrote: post #234
pilaf wrote: post #232

This made me look into Firefox forks/alternatives: Librewolf [1] seems to be fairly active (last commit on Codeberg was last week) and up-to-date with the latest upstream releases (mirrors FF's versioning scheme and matches their latest). Has a nice focus on privacy and no-telemetry. Floorp [2] also looks active (last commit last week), also claims focus on privacy. Based off FF's extended support releases so it may…

Iceweasel has been around for sometime: https://github.com/adonais https://sourceforge.net/projects/libportable/files/Iceweasel... Forks can be healthy for a number of reasons =3

Oh, I thought IceWeasel had been renamed to IceCat, but the repo you linked to has recent activity and calls it IceWeasel, now I'm a bit confused. Glad to see it's active though.

Re: Introducing a terms of use and updated privacy notice for Firefox

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Post by huang_chung »

anonym29 wrote: post #203
01HNNWZ0MV43FF wrote: post #174

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's Chromium

There's chromium, and then, for those who take their privacy more seriously than the average VPN customer that just wants to do piracy, there's ungoogled-chromium. It's like chromium, just without feeding heaps of your personally-identifying metadata directly to Google, who give it directly to the NSA, who give it directly to Elon Musk and DOGE. Remember, ALL mass surveillance by ALL intelligence agencies is ALWAYS a…

> metadata directly to Google, who give it directly to the NSA, who give it directly to Elon Musk and DOGE

Source?

Re: Introducing a terms of use and updated privacy notice for Firefox

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Post by ImJamal »

tmottabr wrote: post #31
sunshine-o wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Only very few people are aware or care about the drama between Mozilla and Brave. Most people will only trust the Data safety / Data Privacy section on the Play / App store (as they should): - Firefox on Android: This app may share these data types with third parties: Location, Personal info and 3 others [0] - Firefox on iOS: The following data may be collected and linked to your identity: Contact Info. Data Not Link…

Developers that fill those informations.. So then saying over there that they do not collect does not mean they are not collecting something.. Also, Brave has already broken trust multiple times.. https://www.coindesk.com/business/2020/06/08/brave-browsers-... https://www.searchenginejournal.com/brave-browser-under-fire... https://www.xda-developers.com/brave-browser-installs-vpn-wi... https://www.spacebar.news/stop-…

Mozilla has broken trust multiple times as well. If you don't trust Brave because of that, then how on earth are you trusting Mozilla?
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