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Outlook classic dropped from Microsoft 365
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Re: Outlook classic dropped from Microsoft 365
#22Can’t wait for my 75 year old father to call me for tech support when the app auto-migrates, changes layouts, corrupts the mail profile or requires sign in for licence validation. Thunderbird is just as bad, there is a new UI change every few months (and they all make it worse).
Thunderbird is just as bad, there is a new UI change every few months (and they all make it worse). Turn off automatic updates.
Out of all software to disable auto-updates on, email clients are probably the riskiest, given how much use they get and that they are the number one vector for delivering malware.
There's already been a privilege escalation found this year in Thunderbird.
Re: Outlook classic dropped from Microsoft 365
#23I believe that Microsoft is shooting themselves in the foot with that forced migration, at least in the Windows enterprise world. It’s a bit like if they were replacing Excel with a half-baked version of Google Sheets.
Your analogy is spot on except there is a MS webby Excel. The goal is to get you totally in the cloud and by you I mean all their customers ... all of them.
On prem Exchange is being made as wanky as possible to run and has been for some years. Updates are excruciatingly painful and there is no technical reason I can fathom for that other than give them: "death by a thousand cuts".
We have an all in one Exchange box so no fancy stuff and it really is painful to watch updates and there is no technical need for it. Its not even a subtle nudge. I've had updates take multiple hours.
I'm old enough to remember when email (let alone the www) didn't exist. MS were eventually very clever in the '90s and noughties and have kept on top of things since. They don't have a total monopoly but quite a decent slice of the "market". The goal is silo off users in their cloud. On prem does not make them anything like enough cash.
They will lose a few customers to Linux and Apple but the full on subscriptions model will more than fix up the finances.
Re: Outlook classic dropped from Microsoft 365
#24As noted in the article, you can still get classic Outlook which has a few more years of support. This article is clickbait.
Re: Outlook classic dropped from Microsoft 365
#25As noted in the article, you can still get classic Outlook which has a few more years of support. This article is clickbait.
It's still dropped from new installations, requiring users to actively go seek the classic version, and Microsoft has been nagging classic users to switch to the new Outlook for a while now.
While Outlook classic is not dead and buried yet, it's firmly sitting in the casket while Microsoft is pushing down to close the lid.
Re: Outlook classic dropped from Microsoft 365
#26I've used both outlooks, Gmail, and a few other clients, and I think the problem isn't that these are all bad but they are all trying to solve a bad problem. So there never will be a good solution just good enough for someone. There are lots of other problems where we blame the tools and never have a universally loved tool: task planning (Jira), and ERP (Oracle) are some examples.
What I would be happy with is if I could use markdown (sans html tags) everywhere. In my emails, in notes, hell I would love if I could use it in word.
Re: Outlook classic dropped from Microsoft 365
#27I believe that Microsoft is shooting themselves in the foot with that forced migration, at least in the Windows enterprise world. It’s a bit like if they were replacing Excel with a half-baked version of Google Sheets.
Your analogy is spot on except there is a MS webby Excel. The goal is to get you totally in the cloud and by you I mean all their customers ... all of them. On prem Exchange is being made as wanky as possible to run and has been for some years. Updates are excruciatingly painful and there is no technical reason I can fathom for that other than give them: "death by a thousand cuts". We have an all in one Exchange box…
Just wanted to chime in and say it’s nice to see someone from IT on the site. I love the site and can follow a lot of things but feel like it’s mostly developers here.
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#28Absolutely user-hostile move. The same happened to the Outlook Web Access light version --- while it was not pure HTML, it was still much faster and more usable than the horribly bloated "modern" full version. Microsoft is slowly becoming the opposite of what it was known for, and that's going to cause customers to reconsider alternatives. Meanwhile my ISP still offers a webmail client which doesn't require JS at all…
When was Microsoft known for being anything but a provider of bloated software?
Re: Outlook classic dropped from Microsoft 365
#29My problem is I support so many applicants which use MAPI calls to create emails to Outlook, and they haven’t and may never add support for MAPI to the web-based version. I kinda thing one reason they are trying to kill the classic Outlook is it’s getting harder to find programmers willing to maintain it.
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#30Earlier quoted context omitted.
Your analogy is spot on except there is a MS webby Excel. The goal is to get you totally in the cloud and by you I mean all their customers ... all of them. On prem Exchange is being made as wanky as possible to run and has been for some years. Updates are excruciatingly painful and there is no technical reason I can fathom for that other than give them: "death by a thousand cuts". We have an all in one Exchange box…
Just wanted to chime in and say it’s nice to see someone from IT on the site. I love the site and can follow a lot of things but feel like it’s mostly developers here.
There are a lot of non devs here ... a lot.
We just let the kiddies crack on and widdle in public but we are still here!