Thank you all so much for your feedback. And thanks to the OP for posting this. I can't make everyone happy all the time but I'll do my best to make each episode better than the last.
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Haskell Live: A Live Coding Adventure
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Re: Haskell Live: A Live Coding Adventure
#22I have to say, I generally dislike video coding tutorials. First, it's difficult to google/copy-paste. Second, it just goes against the way I learn new programming languages - I generally read it, then try it, then experiment with it in some other ways, list few pages back/forth, experiment more, fail, then continue. Usually copypasting/rewriting chunks of code. "What happens when I do THAT? Oh, it fails miserably. W…
I appreciate your opinion but I will respectfully point out that I am making these videos for the other set of people who do like video coding tutorials. You should feel free to not watch them if they do not preserve the water-dorsal relationship of your water-going vessel. :)
Re: Haskell Live: A Live Coding Adventure
#23I have to say, I generally dislike video coding tutorials. First, it's difficult to google/copy-paste. Second, it just goes against the way I learn new programming languages - I generally read it, then try it, then experiment with it in some other ways, list few pages back/forth, experiment more, fail, then continue. Usually copypasting/rewriting chunks of code. "What happens when I do THAT? Oh, it fails miserably. W…
"I can never actually learn any language from a video tutorial." I like video tutorials/screencasts as long as they have the following : 1. Trainer starts with a basic list of topics/table of contents. Nothing fancy but give me an overall overview of what I will learn out of this. 2. A particular topic is taught gradually i.e. by starting with a simpler or even wrong way (as in best practices) and then improving it t…
These are great points and I will do my best to incorporate them in future episodes. Thanks very much for taking the time.
Re: Haskell Live: A Live Coding Adventure
#24This is awesome. Nice and approachable - well explained. I'd love if you also threw in some vim commands along the way.
I'd like to respectfully offer another opinion: I would NOT love if it some vim commands were thrown in. By all means, devote a single episode to tools, since the set up demonstrated might be complex to recreate, and it would likely be something a lot of people want to use too. But I don't think tips specific to a single editor have any place in screencasts that are about one programming language in general. An unobt…
I'm going to have to side with spacemanaki here.
My biggest focus in using vim was to get it out of the way so that I could focus on the Haskell. I wanted the environment (editor, compiler, window manager, test runner, etc) to be as transparent as possible. This is not, in point of fact, a series of vim tutorial videos.
I will make a video that explains my dev environment as a supplement, however.
I'd be happy to answer any vim questions in the comments (github issues, which I will hopefully figure out how to embed in the site eventually), and I do like the idea of adding call out boxes (no need to use subtitles, they can go on the video itself) to highlight interesting vim trickery.
Re: Haskell Live: A Live Coding Adventure
#25Earlier quoted context omitted.
I gathered the vim part. Is he pressing a separate key to run the stuff in the lower-right window or is there a vim hook to do that automatically?
For that I think he's using Guard ( https://github.com/guard/guard/ )
I'll make a video on my setup, but:
Left: vim with Vim Haskell Mode[1], a pale imitation of emacs haskell minor mode that nevertheless gets the job done. ;)
Top right: GHCi
Bottom right: Guard, as mentioned, using guard-shell[2] to compile the file and run main using runghci.
[1] https://github.com/lukerandall/haskellmode-vim [2] https://github.com/guard/guard-shell
Re: Haskell Live: A Live Coding Adventure
#26Earlier quoted context omitted.
For that I think he's using Guard ( https://github.com/guard/guard/ )
I'll make a video on my setup, but: Left: vim with Vim Haskell Mode[1], a pale imitation of emacs haskell minor mode that nevertheless gets the job done. ;) Top right: GHCi Bottom right: Guard, as mentioned, using guard-shell[2] to compile the file and run main using runghci. [1] https://github.com/lukerandall/haskellmode-vim [2] https://github.com/guard/guard-shell
Maybe that info should be on the page itself somewhere. I wouldn't know to look at the github to find your guard script: https://github.com/haskelllive/haskelllive/blob/master/Guard...
Re: Haskell Live: A Live Coding Adventure
#27Earlier quoted context omitted.
Great suggestion, that's on par with what I had in mind. I was not implying OP should have a 3-minute segment on vim commands. Maybe just casually say "and I'm going to use :tab which allows me to select multiple lines and line up the equal signs" or something similar.
> Maybe just casually say "and I'm going to use :tab which allows me to select multiple lines and line up the equal signs" or something similar. No, I wouldn't want them to casually say anything... that's why the subtitles would be an unobtrusive compromise, since you can just turn them off. I think this would be even more important if the screencast was targeted at new users of the language or framework or whatever,…
I want subtitles to perform their primary accessibility function. How about YouTube annotations?
Re: Haskell Live: A Live Coding Adventure
#28Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'll make a video on my setup, but: Left: vim with Vim Haskell Mode[1], a pale imitation of emacs haskell minor mode that nevertheless gets the job done. ;) Top right: GHCi Bottom right: Guard, as mentioned, using guard-shell[2] to compile the file and run main using runghci. [1] https://github.com/lukerandall/haskellmode-vim [2] https://github.com/guard/guard-shell
Maybe that info should be on the page itself somewhere. I wouldn't know to look at the github to find your guard script: https://github.com/haskelllive/haskelllive/blob/master/Guard...
Good call. I'll add that to the About. I'm going to do a quick supplemental vide on the setup as well between now and next episode.
Re: Haskell Live: A Live Coding Adventure
#29Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Maybe just casually say "and I'm going to use :tab which allows me to select multiple lines and line up the equal signs" or something similar. No, I wouldn't want them to casually say anything... that's why the subtitles would be an unobtrusive compromise, since you can just turn them off. I think this would be even more important if the screencast was targeted at new users of the language or framework or whatever,…
I want subtitles to perform their primary accessibility function. How about YouTube annotations?
I had forgotten about annotations, those might be ideally suited for editor and env tips. Honestly, I use Emacs, so I'm not that interested in the vim tips, I just didn't want these to turn into a series of Haskell-with-Vim casts. :) even thought your env does looks pretty slick.
Really nice video, looking forward to more!
Re: Haskell Live: A Live Coding Adventure
#30I have to say, I generally dislike video coding tutorials. First, it's difficult to google/copy-paste. Second, it just goes against the way I learn new programming languages - I generally read it, then try it, then experiment with it in some other ways, list few pages back/forth, experiment more, fail, then continue. Usually copypasting/rewriting chunks of code. "What happens when I do THAT? Oh, it fails miserably. W…
A good video can be a huge time saver for showing workflow, how an experienced coder uses the editor/IDE, REPL, debugger, git and testing libs/CI